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Categories for discussion (CfD) is where the renaming, merging or deletion of categories – i.e. pages in the Category namespace – is discussed and action decided. Stub types templates are also discussed here.
Categories are used to organize pages and aid the browsing of related articles. For instructions as to how to use this page, perform cleanup maintenance or request speedy deletions or renamings, see "How to use CfD" below. The policies meant to guide category renaming may be found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories).
Unless a change to a category is non-controversial – e.g. prompted by vandalism or duplication – please do not amend or remove the category from pages before a decision has been made.
Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, it is usually helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
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Scope[edit]
CfD is only intended for discussions where an editor already has a clear action proposal in mind. For general brainstorming on how to improve the category system, good places for discussion include Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and the talk pages of any WikiProjects relevant to the content covered by the categories in question.
Current discussions[edit]
Discussions awaiting closure[edit]
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 16
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 15 (1 open – Nuclear companies of Russia)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 14 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 13 (1 open – Hillary Clinton controversies)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 12 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 11 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 9 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 8 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 7 (14 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 5 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 1 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 30 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 28 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 27 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 25 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 24 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 23 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 19 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 18 (1 open – Descendants of Eber)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 17 (11 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 16 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 15 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 14 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 13 (1 open – Mandarin-language categories)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 10 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 24 (1 open – European Parliament constituencies)
How to use CfD[edit]
Procedure[edit]
To list a category manually for deletion, merging or renaming, follow this process:
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Preliminary steps.
Determine whether the category needs deleting, merging, or renaming.
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Edit the category.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the category text of every category to be discussed. (The tags belong on the categories' main pages rather than their talk/discussion pages.)
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Create the CFD section.
Click on THIS LINK to edit the section of CFD for today's entries. Follow the instructions in the comments (visible during edit), to copy and paste the template shown. All categories are specified without the
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Once you have previewed your entry, please make sure to add your signature after your proposal. If nominating a list of entries as a batch mentioned after your rationale, it is somewhat neater to place these after the signature (rather than leave the signature dangling at the end of the list, apparently unrelated to your reasons).
Once you have submitted a category here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.
Also, consider adding to your watchlist any categories you nominate. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.
Twinkle[edit]
The use of Wikipedia:Twinkle greatly facilitates CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to "my preferences", the "Gadgets" tab, the "Browsing" section and check "Twinkle ...". Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page to be deleted or renamed.
Users without accounts and users with new accounts[edit]
Users without accounts (unregistered users) may nominate and comment on proceedings, just as in Articles for Deletion (AfD).
Redirecting categories[edit]
It is our general policy to delete categories that do not have articles in them. (Rationale: Unlike articles, categories are mostly for internal use only. If they don't have any articles, they shouldn't have any links from any articles or any other categories, because they are not useful for navigation and sorting.)
However, some categories frequently have articles assigned to them accidentally, or are otherwise re-created over and over. But categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects: #REDIRECT[[target]]. (See Wikipedia:Redirect#category for the technical details.)
Instead, we use a form of "soft redirects" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets. Notice that it's not a redirect at all as a wiki page; it's bots that virtually make them redirects.
In particular, we set up category redirects at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up redirects from forms with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
You can see a list of redirected categories in Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Closing[edit]
When closing CfDs, document their results (e.g. with links to CfD page history) on the talk pages of the affected categories, if not deleted. If deleted, document the deletion decision in the deletion edit summary. See {{cfd top}}.
Special notes[edit]
When nominating a category, it's helpful to add a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. You can use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.
Categories that should exist but are missing articles or subcategories should be added to Category:Underpopulated categories using {{Popcat}}.
If a category is only used as generated by a template (e.g. Category:Foo Stubs to correspond with Template:Foo-stub), and that template is deleted by a regular WP:TFD process, then the category can be deleted as well as long as it was nominated along with the template, or mentioned early in the discussion.
Speedy renaming and merging
Categories may be listed for speedy renaming or speedy merging if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below. They must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. A request may be processed 48 hours after it was listed if there are no objections. This delay allows other editors to review the request to ensure that it meets the criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation", categories that have been empty for four days) can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required to process these. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
Contested requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed, after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, they need to submit the request as a regular CfD in accordance with the instructions here.
Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C1. Unpopulated categories[edit]
- That have been unpopulated for at least four days. This does not apply to disambiguation categories, category redirects, featured topics categories, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help). Place {{Empty category}} at the top of the page to prevent such categories from being deleted.
- Tag category with {{Db-c1}}.
C2. Renaming or merging[edit]
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- C2A. Typographic and spelling fixes.
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
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- C2B. Enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices.
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
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- C2C. Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names.
- This should only be used where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should only be applied when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
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- C2D. Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related article's name.
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous article (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related article's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or immediately following a page move discussion which had explicit consensus to rename. If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply.
- This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages which resulted in a no consensus result.
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- C2E. Author request.
- This criterion only applies if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within 28 days of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
- For C2A to C2E, tag category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}} and list on WP:CFDS. Administrators may implement C2E cases without delay.
For any categories that are not speedy candidates, use Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here,
- And no objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:{old name here}]] to [[:Category:{new name here}]] – {reason for rename here} ~~~~
This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 02:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC). Currently, there are 116 open requests (. )
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Current nominations[edit]
- Category:Ukrainian freemasons to Category:Ukrainian Freemasons – C2A, caps Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Bengali novels to Category:Bengali-language novels – C2C, duplicate category, so follow majority naming convention within Category:Novels by language. – Fayenatic London 18:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Ivy songs to Category:Ivy (band) songs – C2B: per Ivy (band). Armbrust The Homunculus 08:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:KS Luftëtari Gjirokastër players to Category:Luftëtari Gjirokastër players – C2B per Category:Luftëtari Gjirokastër/Luftëtari Gjirokastër Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:KS Flamurtari Vlorë players to Category:Flamurtari Vlorë players – C2B per Category:Flamurtari Vlorë/Flamurtari Vlorë Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:KS Besëlidhja Lezhë players to Category:Besëlidhja Lezhë players – C2B per Category:Besëlidhja Lezhë/Besëlidhja Lezhë Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:KS Kamza to Category:FC Kamza – C2D per FC Kamza Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Secretariat of the Pacific Community to Category:Pacific Community – name changed; C2D per Pacific Community Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Liberal People's Party (Sweden) politicians to Category:Liberals (Sweden) politicians – party name change per Liberals (Sweden)/Category:Liberals (Sweden). Keep redirects on the first two for historical purposes Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct Robotics companies of the United States to Category:Defunct robotics companies of the United States – C2A: fix caps. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Barcelona, Anzoátegui to Category:People from Barcelona, Venezuela – C2D per Barcelona, Venezuela. Tassedethe (talk) 15:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Barbosa Ferraz to Category:People from Barbosa Ferraz, Paraná – C2D per Barbosa Ferraz, Paraná. Tassedethe (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Barabanki to Category:Barabanki, Uttar Pradesh – C2D per Barabanki, Uttar Pradesh. Tassedethe (talk) 15:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Religion in Şimleu Silvaniei to Category:Religion in Șimleu Silvaniei – C2B: per Șimleu Silvaniei/Category:Șimleu Silvaniei. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:03, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Populated places in 'Asir Province to Category:Populated places in 'Asir Region – C2B: per 'Asir Region/Category:'Asir Region. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Bhangra to Category:Bhangra (music) – C2D: per Bhangra (music). Armbrust The Homunculus 13:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:American business journalists to Category:American business and financial journalists – C2C, per parent category Category:Business and financial journalists and all national sibling subcategories. Bearcat (talk) 06:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Balta, Ukraine to Category:People from Balta, Odessa Oblast – C2D per Balta, Odessa Oblast. Tassedethe (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Baley to Category:People from Baley, Russia – C2D per Baley, Russia. Tassedethe (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Baldwin, New York to Category:People from Baldwin, Nassau County, New York – C2D per Baldwin, Nassau County, New York. Tassedethe (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Balakliya Raion to Category:People from Balakliia Raion – C2D per Balakliia Raion. Tassedethe (talk) 23:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Balakan to Category:People from Balakən – C2D per Balakən. Tassedethe (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Senators of the Congress Poland to Category:Senators of Congress Poland – C2C per Category:People from Congress Poland, without "the". Marcocapelle (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Balş to Category:People from Balș – C2D per Balș. Tassedethe (talk) 21:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Bakota to Category:People from Bakota, Ukraine – C2D per Bakota, Ukraine. Tassedethe (talk) 21:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Baikunthpur to Category:People from Baikunthpur, Koriya – C2D per Baikunthpur, Koriya. Tassedethe (talk) 21:32, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Bahar to Category:People from Bahar, Iran – C2D per Bahar, Iran. Tassedethe (talk) 21:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Bagnes municipality to Category:Bagnes – C2D per Bagnes. Tassedethe (talk) 21:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Bălceşti to Category:People from Bălcești – C2D per Bălcești. Tassedethe (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Băileşti to Category:People from Băilești – C2D per Băilești. Tassedethe (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Sudhnati District to Category:People from Sudhanoti District – C2D per Category:Sudhanoti District/Sudhanoti District. Tassedethe (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Artashat to Category:People from Artashat, Armenia – C2D per Artashat, Armenia. Tassedethe (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Arraba, Galilee to Category:People from Arraba, Israel – C2D per Arraba, Israel. Tassedethe (talk) 20:44, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Arfoud to Category:People from Erfoud – C2D per Erfoud. Tassedethe (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Ardara to Category:People from Ardara, County Donegal – C2D per Ardara, County Donegal. Tassedethe (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Arar to Category:Arar, Saudi Arabia – C2D per Arar, Saudi Arabia. Tassedethe (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Aqmola Oblast (Russian Empire) to Category:People from Akmolinsk Oblast (Russian Empire) – C2D per Category:Akmolinsk Oblast (Russian Empire)/Akmolinsk Oblast (Russian Empire). Tassedethe (talk) 20:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Anantapur to Category:Anantapur, Andhra Pradesh – C2D per Anantapur, Andhra Pradesh. Tassedethe (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Ambikapur to Category:People from Ambikapur, India – C2D per Ambikapur, India. Tassedethe (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Ambernath to Category:People from Ambarnath – C2D per Ambarnath. Tassedethe (talk) 20:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Allendorf (Lumda) to Category:People from Allendorf, Giessen – C2D per Allendorf, Giessen. Tassedethe (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Allariz-Maceda to Category:People from Allariz – Maceda – C2D per Allariz – Maceda. Tassedethe (talk) 18:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Aleksandrovsk-Sakhalinsky District to Category:People from Alexandrovsk-Sakhalinsky District – C2D per Alexandrovsk-Sakhalinsky District. Tassedethe (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Al-Dahran to Category:People from Dhahran – C2D per Dhahran. Tassedethe (talk) 18:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Great Yarmouth Council elections to Category:Great Yarmouth Borough Council elections - WP:C2D per Great Yarmouth Borough Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Norwich Council elections to Category:Norwich City Council elections - WP:C2D per Norwich City Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Cambridge Council elections to Category:Cambridge City Council elections - WP:C2D per Cambridge City Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Fenland Council elections to Category:Fenland District Council elections - WP:C2D per Fenland District Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Huntingdonshire Council elections to Category:Huntingdonshire District Council elections - WP:C2D per Huntingdonshire District Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:South Cambridgeshire Council elections to Category:South Cambridgeshire District Council elections - WP:C2D per South Cambridgeshire District Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Colchester Council elections to Category:Colchester Borough Council elections - WP:C2D per Colchester Borough Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Hertsmere Council elections to Category:Hertsmere Borough Council elections - WP:C2D per Hertsmere Borough Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Watford Council elections to Category:Watford Borough Council elections - WP:C2D per Watford Borough Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Welwyn Hatfield Council elections to Category:Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council elections - WP:C2D per Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council elections. Number 57 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Aksu to Category:People from Aksu, Xinjiang – C2D per Aksu, Xinjiang. Tassedethe (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Akbarpur to Category:People from Akbarpur, Ambedkar Nagar –C2D per Akbarpur, Ambedkar Nagar. Tassedethe (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Agualeguas, Nuevo León to Category:People from Agualeguas – C2D per Agualeguas. Tassedethe (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Agstafa to Category:People from Ağstafa – C2D per Ağstafa. Tassedethe (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Agin-Buryat Okrug to Category:People from Agin–Buryat Okrug – C2D per Agin–Buryat Okrug. Tassedethe (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Švihov to Category:People from Švihov (Klatovy District) – C2D per Švihov (Klatovy District). Tassedethe (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Ştefăneşti, Argeş to Category:People from Ștefănești, Argeș – C2D per Ștefănești, Argeș. Tassedethe (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Şimleu Silvaniei to Category:People from Șimleu Silvaniei – C2D per Category:Șimleu Silvaniei/Șimleu Silvaniei. Tassedethe (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Ōsakasayama to Category:People from Ōsakasayama, Osaka – C2D per Ōsakasayama, Osaka. Tassedethe (talk) 18:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Çankaya to Category:People from Çankaya, Ankara – C2D per Çankaya, Ankara. Tassedethe (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from 'Asir Province to Category:People from 'Asir Region – C2D per Category:'Asir Region/'Asir Region. Tassedethe (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball stadiums in Pennsylvania to Category:Baseball venues in Pennsylvania – per C2C; all other US states have a "Baseball venues in state" category both here and on the Commons. Waz8:T-C-E 05:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category: Ministers of Army of Japan to Category:Ministers of the Imperial Japanese Army - C2B per Imperial Japanese Army/Category:Imperial Japanese Army. Hugo999 (talk) 05:55, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- This is a good move. No issues. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category: Ministers of the Navy of Japan to Category:Ministers of the Imperial Japanese Navy - C2B per Imperial Japanese Navy/Category:Imperial Japanese Navy. Hugo999 (talk) 05:55, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- This is a good move. No issues. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Bhangra songs to Category:Bhangra (music) songs – Match article namespace. Richhoncho (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Opposed nominations[edit]
- Category:American college sports champion navigational boxes to Category:American college sports championship team navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:American college football champion navigational boxes to Category:American college football championship team navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:NCAA Division I FBS champions navigational boxes to Category:NCAA Division I FBS championship team navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:NCAA Division I FCS champions navigational boxes to Category:NCAA Division I FCS championship team navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Category:NCAA Division II champions navigational boxes to Category:NCAA Division II championship team navigational boxes – C2C. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for the above five. There is no clear convention for the proposed format, and the top category of the tree is Category:Sports champion navigational boxes. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- Category:Kwara State to Category:Kwara – C2D: per Kwara (RM). Jenks24 (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Populated places in Kwara State to Category:Populated places in Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Local Government Areas in Kwara State to Category:Local Government Areas in Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Musicians from Kwara State to Category:Musicians from Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:56, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Kwara State by occupation to Category:People from Kwara by occupation – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Families from Kwara State to Category:Families from Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:People from Kwara State to Category:People from Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Governors of Kwara State to Category:Governors of Kwara – C2D. Jenks24 (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Oppose all – The state is Kwara State. The move request has logic concerning the dab page but makes no case for Kwara State being moved to Kwara. All the other States in Nigeria contain the name 'State' (see Category:States of Nigeria) and the article Kwara uses the phrase 'Kwara State' throughout (apart from the first occurrence, changed on 14 Oct 2015). Oculi (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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- A lot of the other category names for states of Nigeria are misnamed because they also do not match the article name for the state. Someone appears to have adopted a "convention" to name the categories "FOO State", but that's generally not how category names work. We tend to follow the article names, even if that leads to inconsistent naming patterns between categories of related topics. I think the article rename makes sense in this case. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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- It's Kwara State according to Kwara State itself. The article should be moved back (there was the nom plus 1 support, hardly overwhelming). Oculi (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I knew this would happen. I give up on CFDS, it's more trouble that it's worth. Apologies to the editors who do a lot of good work keeping this page running, but it's too frustrating to have every single nomination that removes a dab opposed. Jenks24 (talk) 13:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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- It is frustrating when users oppose C2D changes based on the fact that they disagree with a recent change in the article name that was made via formal processes. Probably the nicer thing for users to do, in the name of inter-Wikipedian comity if nothing else, would be to allow the category renames to go through, and then to pursue a reversal of the decision to rename the article. Then, if they are successful in reversing the article name, the category names could speedily be renamed back. This makes sense because there is no guarantee that they will be successful in getting the rename reversed. Users' arguments will be more or less strong in different cases—but users always think their own arguments are strong. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:39, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I have now started another RM at Talk:Kwara to move the page back to Kwara State. – Fayenatic London 21:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose all : I concurr with Oculi regarding the singling out of Kwara State for speedy renaming mainly because it will result in inconsistency with all other similarly named categories, (Category:States of Nigeria) which follow the same pattern 05:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Category:Hindu movements and organizations to Category:Hindu movements and organisations – C2C AusLondonder (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- @AusLondonder: For the two immediately above, how is C2C being used? What scheme are we matching the spelling to? One of the parent categories, Category:Religious organizations by faith or belief, uses "z". I see that both are also subcategories of Category:Organisations based in India, but that's probably not right, because there can be Hindu organizations and Jain organizations outside of India. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Good Olfactory: your ping won't have worked because you didn't add a new line or new signature. Pinging AusLondonder. Jenks24 (talk) 12:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jenks24. The intricacies of pinging continue to elude me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- @AusLondonder: RSVP. – Fayenatic London 10:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Firstly, let me apologise for the delay in replying. I have been very busy with some other issues. I did notice the ping but just forgot to reply. Firstly, yes both are subcats of Category:Organisations in India. Secondly, both of these religions were founded in India (and have most of their followers in India) and I would argue meet the criteria of WP:STRONGNAT. Hinduism is the dominant way of life in India. AusLondonder (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- I would be fine with a rename given the dominance of India in these religions, though I think that it might be better to have a discussion on it just to make sure that there is consensus for the change since Category:Religious organisations based in India is not really appropriate: Category:Hindu movements and organizations contains Category:Hindu organizations by country and Category:Jain organizations contains Jain Foundation and JAINA. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy per Good Olfactory, especially for the second which shouldn't be in Category:Religious organisations based in India at all due to the existence of Category:Hindu organisations based in India. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- I understand your argument User:Good Olfactory. I realise they contains some non-Indian and non-Commonwealth organisations but I think they meet the criteria of WP:STRONGNAT, namely being a "topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation". I also nominated here on a technicality given a parent cat was using 'Organisation'. Now this is opposed I may get around to doing a CFD nom soon. AusLondonder (talk) 23:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- I will support the nom when it's posted as I agree that there is strong Indian dominance in these religions. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- I would be fine with a rename given the dominance of India in these religions, though I think that it might be better to have a discussion on it just to make sure that there is consensus for the change since Category:Religious organisations based in India is not really appropriate: Category:Hindu movements and organizations contains Category:Hindu organizations by country and Category:Jain organizations contains Jain Foundation and JAINA. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Good Olfactory: your ping won't have worked because you didn't add a new line or new signature. Pinging AusLondonder. Jenks24 (talk) 12:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- @AusLondonder: For the two immediately above, how is C2C being used? What scheme are we matching the spelling to? One of the parent categories, Category:Religious organizations by faith or belief, uses "z". I see that both are also subcategories of Category:Organisations based in India, but that's probably not right, because there can be Hindu organizations and Jain organizations outside of India. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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- I have opened a discussion for the Hindu cat here AusLondonder (talk) 01:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Category:Norwegian late-medieval history to Category:Norway in the Late Middle Ages – C2C per other by-country subcategories of Category:Late Middle Ages Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose speed only 2 of 5 by-country categories use the proposed format. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Norwegian High-medieval History to Category:Norway in the High Middle Ages – C2C per other by-country subcategories of Category:High Middle Ages Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose speed only 2 of 6 by-country categories use the proposed format. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: For the two Norwegian history categories above, is there a reason based on substance, as opposed to process, that you feel that the proposed renames are inappropriate? If not, it's difficult to know what issues to address in a full CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's purely procedural. I don't think it's C2C due to the lack of a clear convention. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: For the two Norwegian history categories above, is there a reason based on substance, as opposed to process, that you feel that the proposed renames are inappropriate? If not, it's difficult to know what issues to address in a full CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose speed only 2 of 6 by-country categories use the proposed format. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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- See also this discussion. I still don't agree with the opposition but that doesn't count. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Thanks for that link—I was unaware of this previous discussion. It looks like I should move these to a full discussion—maybe removed from the other categories, we can get a rename for just the Norwegian ones. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Moved to a full discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Category:Luxembourgish people to Category:Luxembourgian people – Undo out-of-process category move by User:Kaihsu that broke consistency. SFB 15:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish sportspeople to Category:Luxembourgian sportspeople
- @Sillyfolkboy: He has moved many other categories in the same way, see there. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Luxembourgish sportspeople to Category:Luxembourgian sportspeople
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- Sorry if I missed something. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Luxembourg#Spelling_and_usage: “'Luxembourg' is to be used for the adjective of Luxembourg (e.g. Luxembourg elections, Luxembourg government). 'Luxembourgian' has unfortunately become widely used on Wikipedia, however this is incorrect and should be changed when encountered. 'Luxembourgish' is the name of the language, whilst 'Luxembourger' is the demonym.” – Kaihsu (talk) 17:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Kaihsu: Can you start a full nomination of Category:Luxembourgian people on that basis? As there are so many categories to align, this is best done through a group discussion then let a bot make the changes if required. SFB 18:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- I left a note at Category talk:Luxembourgish people, but I would rather someone else formally nominate the whole bunch of categories for moving. – Kaihsu (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Kaihsu: If you go to your preferences and enable Twinkle in "Browsing" then you'll get the option to nominate the rename through the "CFD" Twinkle drop down. The tool makes it quite simple to do. I don't feel confident to advocate the request on your behalf, as I do not agree with it, largely on the basis that it conflates ethnicity with a legal nationality. SFB 20:16, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- I left a note at Category talk:Luxembourgish people, but I would rather someone else formally nominate the whole bunch of categories for moving. – Kaihsu (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- A similar rename was proposed in 2012, but the CFD closed as "no consensus". Based on that, I'm going to reverse these category moves. However, this is not to say that a new proposal to rename would not be successful. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Kaihsu: Can you start a full nomination of Category:Luxembourgian people on that basis? As there are so many categories to align, this is best done through a group discussion then let a bot make the changes if required. SFB 18:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Sillyfolkboy: Thanks for the tip. It is good to distinguish citizenship and ethnicity, but that does not justify making up the new word ‘Luxembourgian’. – Kaihsu (talk) 04:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's a good argument for a CFD discussion and you might get a consensus around that view. Since we had a previous discussion and there was no consensus, we stick with the status quo until there is a consensus to change it. The best way to establish what the consensus is would be to start a CFD, providing the evidence of WP consensus (eg, the wikiproject guidelines) and usage outside WP that you might have access to. BTW, I don't think anyone on WP made up the term "Luxembourgian"—a casual search of old books has the word turning up with surprising frequency in reference to the people of Luxembourg. Good Ol’factory (talk)
- A full discussion has been started here to rename Category:Luxembourgian people to Category:Luxembourgish people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry if I missed something. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Luxembourg#Spelling_and_usage: “'Luxembourg' is to be used for the adjective of Luxembourg (e.g. Luxembourg elections, Luxembourg government). 'Luxembourgian' has unfortunately become widely used on Wikipedia, however this is incorrect and should be changed when encountered. 'Luxembourgish' is the name of the language, whilst 'Luxembourger' is the demonym.” – Kaihsu (talk) 17:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Indo-European to Category:Indo-European studies – C2D per Indo-European studies. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Indo-European studies is dealing with Indo-European languages, but many articles in the category are not language-related (like: Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex, Boscombe Bowmen or Gradina on Bosut. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Moved to CFD, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Indo-European studies is dealing with Indo-European languages, but many articles in the category are not language-related (like: Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex, Boscombe Bowmen or Gradina on Bosut. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Arab to Category:Arabs – C2D per Arabs. Overturn redirect to Category:Arab people. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Berber to Category:Berbers – C2D per Berbers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Slavic to Category:Slavs – C2D per Slavs. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose above 3. The plural form sounds like a category for biographies, but these contain other things too (like culture or history). Armbrust The Homunculus 14:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Moved to CFD, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose above 3. The plural form sounds like a category for biographies, but these contain other things too (like culture or history). Armbrust The Homunculus 14:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Network O&O to Category:Owned-and-operated stations - C2D, per Owned-and-operated station RevelationDirect (talk) 02:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Object to CFDS as proposed instead I suggest Category:Network owned-and-operated television stations, as it is in the TV hierarchy, thus to conform to the hierarchy it should include "television". The content is television stations, and not radio stations, so the category naming should not be so broad as to seemingly include them. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Abandoned proposal. No further action plannned. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Discussion opened I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 15#Category:Network O&O -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Partially Overlapping Category Note that, during the course of this discussion, I came across the partially redundant Category:Owned-and-operated television stations in the United States so I put it under this category. I'll hold off on the recategorization I was doing to let your nomination take it's course. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Discussion opened I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 15#Category:Network O&O -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Abandoned proposal. No further action plannned. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Object to CFDS as proposed instead I suggest Category:Network owned-and-operated television stations, as it is in the TV hierarchy, thus to conform to the hierarchy it should include "television". The content is television stations, and not radio stations, so the category naming should not be so broad as to seemingly include them. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Mandarin-language films to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language films C2D. — ξxplicit 19:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Category:Mandarin-language Malaysian films to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language Malaysian films
- Category:Mandarin-language singers to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language singers
- Category:Mandarin-language singers of South Korea to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language singers of South Korea
- Category:Mandarin-language singers of China to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language singers of China
- Category:Mandarin-language television stations to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language television stations
- Category:Mandarin songs to Category:Mandarin Chinese-language songs (also C2C)
- Inclined to oppose the above group: @Explicit: it seems a strange result to rename "Mandarin-language" categories to "Mandarin Chinese-language" while allowing "Cantonese-language" below. Although your proposals matches the names of the lead articles "Mandarin Chinese" and "Cantonese", "Mandarin Chinese" is disambiguation whereas "Mandarin-language" is already unambiguous. – Fayenatic London 15:54, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- I've taken the categories to a full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 13#Mandarin-language categories. — ξxplicit 04:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Inclined to oppose the above group: @Explicit: it seems a strange result to rename "Mandarin-language" categories to "Mandarin Chinese-language" while allowing "Cantonese-language" below. Although your proposals matches the names of the lead articles "Mandarin Chinese" and "Cantonese", "Mandarin Chinese" is disambiguation whereas "Mandarin-language" is already unambiguous. – Fayenatic London 15:54, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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