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What is the logical justification for comma disambiguation being required for lower jurisdictions, such as cities, towns, and regional municipalities?[edit]
Basically, should Yorkton be just "Yorkton" or "Yorkton, Saskatchewan"; or Bas-Saint-Laurent vs. Bas-Saint-Laurent, Quebec etc.? The reason why I'm asking this is that I'm having a naming dispute right now concerning US counties, and whether or not names such as Los Angeles County should be named as such or "Los Angeles County, California" in full. Current policy (WP:USPLACE) says that "Articles on counties and parishes are typically titled X County (or X Parish), State." This practice is inconsistent with place-names in other parts of the world and creates unnecessarily inconcise titles.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- The US follows the USPLACE guideline, whereas the rest of the world typically uses WP:COMMONNAME. I move all articles on Canadian places from Foo, Province to Foo if Foo simply redirects or doesn't exist. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Canada-related articles#Places covers this. - Floydian τ ¢ 15:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- The policy that the rest of the world uses certainly violates the principals of WP:NAMINGCRITERIA of Naturalness and Recognizability does it? I mean, I had no idea where Yorkton was until I found a random town in Saskatchewan for an example, on top of that I'm sure most people in the world don't even know where Saskatchewan is. The most common name that someone will type into the search bar (assuming there is no autofill), would be Workton, Saskatchewan.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- If a user enters Yorkton, Saskatchewan, a redirect takes them where they want to go. The policy is simple: don't disambiguate unless you are disambiguating from something. USPLACE is no example to follow. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 20:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- The purpose of an article title is to serve as a location for the page, and not to convey extended information about the topic beyond the minimum necessary to ensure that the page has a unique title that isn't in conflict with any other title. There are, for example, people in the world who wouldn't know what the Toronto Maple Leafs are either, but that doesn't mean we have to move the article to "Toronto Maple Leafs (hockey team)" just because the topic might not be immediately obvious to all users just by seeing the name alone — anyone who doesn't already know what it is can find out by reading the article, and doesn't need superfluous information to be added to the title.
- Accordingly, the naming convention for geographic places used by every country in the world besides the United States is that a place goes at just "place" if its name is unique (for instance, no other topic on earth could ever be located at just Iqaluit) or if it's the primary meaning (nobody would ever seriously expect the title Toronto to be about anything other than Canada's largest city) — but gets disambiguated by an appropriate higher geographical division (comma province, comma state, comma country, etc.) if it's not a unique name. Preexisting fame, or adding more information to the title on behalf of users who don't already know what the topic is, have nothing to do with it. The rule for all other topics is that any article always gets the simplest title that it can be given without creating a conflict with other topics of comparable or greater importance — and and we don't need the naming rule for geographic places to be different than the one we use for companies or book/film/television/album titles or people or other non-geographic topics. The rule has to be the same as it is for other topics: the title does not need to contain any more information than the minimum necessary to ensure that it has a unique location that isn't competing with other topics located at their simplest possible titles.
- The US contingent has always had a different rule for itself, by which only the very largest US cities can claim unique name or primary topic as a valid reason to be located at just "Place", and smaller places must be at "Place, State" regardless of whether they satisfy one of the criteria that would allow them to be moved to a shorter title — but no other country has ever had any consensus to follow that rule instead of the one that would apply to any other topic.
- All of that said, I'm a bit confused by this discussion. Both your title and your initial question seem to be arguing against the current WP:USPLACE convention — and thus I'm not too clear on why you would bring the discussion to WikiProject Canada, as if USPLACE (which we don't follow) had anything to do with us. Then in your second question you seem to be arguing that Canada should shift to following a USPLACE-style "comma-province disambiguation always required" convention instead of the one we currently use — thus doubling the confusion because now I don't even know which side of the coin you're arguing in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 19:50, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- In line with this topic, there is a discussion about the primary topic or use of a dab page at Talk:York. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- My post here is more of a thought experiment than anything. Of course I realize that Canadian articles don't follow WP:USPLACE. I'm trying to learn about some of the arguments why Canadian and Australia (and possibly others) have made the switch to [sic] "city, state" over the past few years.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 21:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, it's the other way around—WP:CANADA (and other projects, such as WP:JAPAN) used to follow a similiar guideline to USPLACE. Over the years, those guidelines have been overturned virtually everywhere except for the US, and place articles have been gradually moved to their un-disambiguated versions. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry I actually meant "made the switch from "city, state" to just "city". The logic that USPLACE apologists use is assuming that the "city, state" format for most non-major cities is the most recognizable format. However this same thing could be said about nearly every country in the world. The most commonly recognized name for Jeddah to most humans is Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, even though the article titles is the way it currently is. Anyways as pertaining to Canada, do you think you could point me to some of the archived threads about this topic?--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 18:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- The arguments for preemptive disambiguation of US places are extremely poor and frequently challenged. They pretty much come down to:
- (a) most American places need disambiguation anyways, so let's just do them all
- Most Canadian city names are unique, as are most city names of most countries in the world—this is a uniquely american issue
- (b) in causal conversation, people actually say things like "Chicago, Illinois", even when they are in Chicago and are aware that Chicago is one of the best-recognized cities in the world. Why do they do this? I doubt even Americans know.
- This is untrue of most other places in the world. Nobody says "Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories" or "Sault St Marie, Ontario" in casual conversation, nor do they say "Dresden, Saxony" or "Nagoya, Aichi".
- Basically, the arguments don't hold any water even in the American case, and are entirely invalid everywhere else. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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- It's actually not true that most Canadian city names are unique — there are certainly places whose names are genuinely unique (especially if they derive from aboriginal languages, or are saint-names in Quebec which come with attached predisambiguations like -de-Litchfield or -du-Ha! Ha!), but far more of Canada's undabbed cities are just straightforward primary topics rather than names which are genuinely unique as such. And people will, of course, say "Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario" if there's a contextual need to distinguish it from the one in Michigan — while the one in Ontario is larger, the population differential between the two isn't so strong that we can credibly make a primary topic call on it. But you are certainly correct that people don't preemptively say "Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario" in every context — but I don't believe for a second that people actually do that for Chicago either. Bearcat (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, the math's been done: nearly 50% of US placenames require disambiguation, while most Canadian ones are unique (apparently I chose a poor example with Sault Ste. Marie). I'm astounded that you'd assert you "don't believe for a second that people actually do that for Chicago either". It's like you live on a different continent than the one I grew up on. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 07:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- I hear people say just "Chicago" without a trailing "Illinois" all the freaking time — far more often, in fact, than not. And trust me, I don't live in any alternate reality, as much as I may wish I did sometimes.
- I'd like to see where that "percentage of unique names" math is documented, as well — I didn't thoroughly review the entire list of Canadian cities, admittedly, but at least among Canada's 30 largest just six (20 per cent) of them can actually claim uniqueness for their name. Those six being Winnipeg, Quebec City, Gatineau, Longueuil, Saskatoon and Greater Sudbury. And even two of those six only get it on a technicality — Quebec City is an extremely common but technically unofficial name for a city whose official name is (obviously) not unique, and Greater Sudbury is an officialism that's actually less common in the real world than the unofficial and non-unique "Sudbury".
- A lot of Canadian place names may seem on first blush to be more unique than they really are, because they don't share their names with any other significant places whose existence the average person is likely to know about — but you'd actually be wrong if you said there were no other Torontos, Montreals, Ottawas, Calgarys, Vancouvers, Mississaugas, St. John'ses, Trois-Rivièreses, Bramptons or Edmontons in the world (in the case of Toronto, you'd even be wrong if you said the Big Smoke was the only one in Canada, because there's a small village called Toronto in Prince Edward Island, too — and in the case of Mississauga, there's a First Nations reserve near Blind River which begs to differ with the notion that McCallion Country is even the only Mississauga in Ontario.) In reality, Canada most certainly does not have an appreciably higher proportion of unique city names than the US does — we might have more that get "primary topic" status by virtue of being exponentially more famous than any smaller namesake, but that's a different question entirely. Bearcat (talk) 17:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Only on Wikipedia will you find such a pedantic discussion about something so trivial that it conjures such thinly-veiled insults as "are you even living on the planet Earth?" Instead of being negative, aren't there infoboxes to be filled? POV's to be erased? New members to recruit? Articles to assess? Deletion requests to be closed?
As for the discussion at hand, I am indifferent. On one hand, I agree that having, e.g., "Sudbury, Ontario" might be more specific and preferable for internationalization. It's also good to be consistent. On the other, I do think simplification and minimalism is preferable in a place where there is already overwhelming information. Additionally, the majority of people who will be searching for it will already be familiar with its context: they may have picked up on it from an acquaintance or the media; they will not be randomly searching for "Kuujjuaq" because their cat stepped on their keyboard. And even if they did, the infobox there would provide them with more precise information.
In the end, isn't easy navigation, not standardization, the goal? The vast majority of people searching for "Ottawa," for example, will want the capital, and others may use the disambiguation page and/or hatnote. I doubt that people, even those unfamiliar with Canadian geography, will be looking for "Ottawa, Ontario" or even "Ottawa, Canada" when they come here. - SweetNightmares 15:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
- The USPLACE guideline is not as crazy as some are suggesting. There's a list of exceptions including Chicago which do not follow the comma rule. Since there would be endless argument over which should get the exception, the list of exceptions follows an available standard, which is the Associate Press's guideline for datelines of articles. A similar guideline for Canada would have exceptions definitely including Ottawa and Toronto. And although Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh are among the exceptions, I have certainly many times heard "Chicago, Illinois" and "Cleveland, Ohio" and "Pittsburgh, PA" (pronounced P. A.) and so on. Y'all can go jump in a Lake Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada! :) --doncram 04:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Advertisement[edit]
The template Wikipedia Advertisements promotes Beer, Hockey, and Maple Syrup. Two of these are POV: alcohol and violence. More appropriate terms should be used to highlight Canada: 3 Oceans, Parliament, or Diversity, for examples. The use of this template will increase and this Project ought to make a priority of removing the offensive throwbacks to Bob & Doug MacKenzie.
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The job is not too big but takes technical insight beyond what I can contribute.Rgdboer (talk) 23:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I think the only problem is "Beer", which is not closely related primarily to Canada. Replacing it with "Poutine" could do, but then two items would be mostly Quebec (Poutine and Maple Syrup) -- Oceans, Parliament and University is not closely related primarily to Canada, so are not good choices ; there are however, beavers, caribou, wapiti, Canadian geese, musk oxen, polar bears -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:04, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Characterizing hockey as "violence" is POV. As this "ad" is not used in article space, I suggest there are more productive areas where effort within the WikiProject be spent. I say it is fine as is. Hwy43 (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- The "ad" — which is an internal banner to promote this WikiProject within the corpus of Wikipedia editors, not something that's getting onto CTV or The Globe and Mail as some grand philosophical statement of Canadian identity — is not about promoting any particular set of values per se. It's just using a couple of symbols commonly associated with Canadian culture as an attention-grabber to promote this wikiproject, not alcohol or "violence". And Hwy43 is absolutely right, conflating hockey with violence is POV — any sport, even chess, can get violent if its participants decide to brawl in the middle of the game, but that doesn't make the sport itself a fundamentally violent thing. And to address the alternate examples you raised, "diversity" is not uniquely characteristic of Canada — it's a value quite common to many countries around the world in the 21st-century, and is not something that specifically connotes Canada to the exclusion of anywhere else. So it's not a suitable replacement. Simply put, we have much more important things to worry about right now — namely, a federal election campaign, and the inevitable onslaught of partisan WP:POV bullshittery and the equally inevitable invasion of attempts to misuse Wikipedia as a hosting platform for unelected candidates' campaign brochures — than this trivia. Not a priority. Bearcat (talk) 16:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Not to disagree with the “fundamental” part, or most of the rest for that matter, but chess is a lousy analogy. Hockey, like many team sports, includes a level of physical contact and confrontation that would constitute criminal assault in another context, so I think it’s fair to characterize it as “violent”, even if one doesn’t believe fighting to be part of the game (as some do) or at all condone the more dangerous fouls, e.g. kneeing & boarding. Not that merely mentioning it implies a POV either, but on the spectrum of violence it’s clearly in a different category from, say, short-track speed-skating, or volleyball, let alone chess. That said, it’s arguably less violent than most of the football games (other than soccer), and certainly less so than the ‘harder’ combat sports.—Odysseus1479 00:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- I really don't know what to make of Hockey being considered too violent to be a symbol of Canada. This ad, and the MacKenzie brothers are examples of self-deprecating humour, which is about as Canadian as one can be, under the circumstances. If beer is considered too taboo for advertisements, then lets come up with a sensible alternative. But I really don't see this as a major issue that we should be concerning ourselves with.--kelapstick(bainuu) 16:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The advertisement is objectionable. Self-deprecating humor is not a defense: see Nicomachean Ethics: §4.4.7 Honesty about oneself. Further, the advertisement aggravates the Gender gap in this Project. Further, reference to the "game" may favor a candidate that wrote a book about its history. Concussions from ice hockey have damaged young men, and often they cannot do their school work at the level of young women; leadership in several Provinces has passed to women.Rgdboer (talk) 23:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, you can't seriously think that you just gave a serious or substantive argument. For one thing, Wikipedia as a whole has a gender gap just by virtue of its userbase inherently skewing "internet geek", and there's no evidence that this project attains any special level of dubiousness on that count. For two, lots of women like (and even play) hockey too — it is not an exclusively male pastime, and any gender gap in Wikipedia's userbase simply cannot be laid at the feet of the word "hockey" existing in an internal banner ad for an internal wikiproject. For three, what exactly does "reference to the "game" may favor a candidate that wrote a book about its history" have to do with anything that this banner has anything to do with, given that an internal project banner is not going to impact the results of a real-world election in any way, shape or form? For four, young men can get concussions from car accidents too. And for five, women premiers have about as much to do with the banner as Ken Dryden (see, I knew perfectly well what you were talking about even if I fail to see how it has anything to do with the matter at hand) does. Get a stinking grip. Bearcat (talk) 23:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- My, my, but you seem to be allowing your own prejudices to cloud your judgement. For myself, I know plenty of women who enjoy both hockey and beer, and more than a few guys who can't abide one or the other. As for self-deprecating "humor" being a "defense" (sic and sic; this is WP:Canada, after all), I think other fine Canadian traditions you ought to bear in mind are tolerance and trying to see the best in people and actions. Regarding your other comments, I have no idea how that banner might "favor" (sic, again) a candidate (are we voting for editors now? I didn't get that memo...), and how the pleasantly egalitarian attitude of the Canadian electorate toward the gender of their premiers might relate to it is anyone's guess. Go have a nice lie down, or a beer. Pyrope 23:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry about the offending orthography but it is pleasing to see some refinement in one area. Since this WP:Wikiproject is the umbrella covering all projects in Category:Canada WikiProjects, it pertains to our nation branding. The three identifiers used currently harken back to the staples theory of Canada's economy when miners took turns buying a round for the boys after they returned to the surface. Such a rear-view mirror glance at the country obstructs the view ahead, was criticised in 1967 by Marshall McLuhan in his The Medium is the Message, and is certainly a disgrace today.Rgdboer (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- You're raising a ruckus about an issue that isn't a priority in any sense of the word, and you're not saying anything productive about it. Seriously, just drop the stick and go find something useful to do — some actual priorities that would welcome your assistance might include assisting with the dablinks cleanup project below, or helping me fix our appallingly bad and woefully incomplete historical coverage of the Genie Awards, or helping to clean up the onslaught of partisan bullcrap in our election-related articles. That's the important stuff that we need to be dealing with, not this trivia. Bearcat (talk) 01:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Moving along - nothing to see here. PKT(alk) 14:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
help needed on ambiguous links in wp:Canada articles[edit]
Hi, there's a number of articles in WikiProject Canada that have an ambiguous link needing to be fixed, including Beresford,_New_Brunswick, Indo-Canadians_in_Greater_Vancouver, List_of_Migratory_Bird_Sanctuaries_of_Canada, and The Tenors. Long-term regulars at the wp:DPL project, and me too now, are fighting towards elimination of all-but-brand-new ambiguous links in Wikipedia within a year now, and could use your help!
I used the cool wp:catscan3 tool today to identify what turns out to be 255 wp:Canada articles having outgoing dablinks, and hooked up its output to repeatedly apply editor dispenser's equally cool DabSolver tool to yield the following list, all teed up for you to click and fix, if you're familiar with the article's topic and/or the specific term that links to a disambiguation page.
CatScan is a powerful tool to find articles meeting simple or complex criteria. DabSolver's tool reviews any page to find ambiguous terms and help you fix them. Usually you would cut-and-paste in an the article name into DabSolver, and you only have to pick which target the term should be linked to, from a drop down menu, as long as the intended target is given as an option on the disambiguation page. Here I have set it up so you can just select the article you'd like to review, and DabSolver will be applied to it. DabSolver usually works. It just can't detect sometimes when the ambiguous term is hidden inside a template call. Clear the ambiguous link by finding the more precise link intended (usually an existing article, but sometimes it's appropriate for the term to be a redlink where an article is needed), or by unlinking the term. It's even more of a contribution, if you see there's a gap at the disambiguation page and you can add a bluelink or a proper red-link (a redlink needs a supporting bluelink, see DAB page guideline MOS:DABRL). wp:The Daily Disambig shows the overall project's progress. It would be great to see the Canada articles get struck off wp:DPL's big working list! TIA for any help. :) sincerely, --doncram 03:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
clearing Canada's dablinks[edit]
List of 255 below per 17 August running of this CatScan query on Canada's dablinks (to run it again, hit "Do it" at bottom; scroll down to see results below the query)
- Someone has been busy...the number actually remaining is down to 234, per re-run of that query, though relatively few of those have been marked as cleared, below. So sometimes if you click on one of the 255 listed below, the reason will be that DabSolver can't find the ambiguous link hidden in a template call, but now more often it will be because the ambiguous link has already been cleared. --doncram 13:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'd like to note that I've also come across a few cases in this list where a {{dn}} template was, for no apparent reason, still sitting as an unnecessary leftover on a link that had already been corrected months or years ago. So that's also something I would recommend checking for if you hit a link where DabSolver says there's nothing — check the article to see if there's still a ghost tag sitting on a term that's already correctly disambiguated or entirely unlinked. Bearcat (talk) 16:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks! Total is now 204. --doncram 14:41, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Suggestion: Avoid any wasted time by setting up two windows side by side or overlapping. I.e., open a 2nd window on your screen with this same URL, and then run the CatScan query in that. Scroll down in that so its current results, a list of the articles which still need fixing, are showing (in a column on the left side of the window). Returning to this window, select an article to fix only if you can also see it in the current CatScan results. I'm not going to bother striking out any more here. I fixed a few but others must be proceeding along too: total is now 194. --doncram 00:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Count is now 155. --doncram 01:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Running the CatScan query on Canada's dablinks again, there are now 111 remaining. I fixed only a few in the latest decrease of 21. --doncram 22:48, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- 99 remaining. "nicer list of 132" is where you go to pick a page to disambiguate, and is working well. 3/4 chance the first one you click will need disambiguating. Thank you to User:PKT for keeping going with disambiguating. I've noticed that many of these are not super-easy to disambiguate. For example to clear Nova Central School District the drop-down menu did not offer the correct choice. It required creating a proper redlink Phoenix Academy (Newfoundland) and posting it properly (with a supporting bluelink per MOS:DABRL) at the Phoenix Academy disambiguation page. Which is progress, why should only U.S.-related "Phoenix" academies be listed, in this page which comes high in Google search display. --doncram 18:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Others may be easy for full-blooded Canadian editors. E.g. for Robert Boston (politician), born in 1836 in ambiguous Melrose, Ontario, I make the educated guess it should be Melrose, Middlesex County, Ontario not Melrose, Hastings County, Ontario, because his article says he represented Middlesex South riding in 1893 in House of Commons. I had to look up where all of those were in many Google maps windows. Questions:
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- Yeah it looks like he is. Especially when i find my way to Category:Classical music radio presenters and to AustralianBC's nav-list of red- and blue-linked presenters in template:ABC Classic FM. To finish on Bob Kerr, then the redlink needs to be added to the dab, with a supporting bluelink. And since describing his importance as being an alumni of his high school would be lame, i found my way to List of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation personalities and added him there, then could add his redlink to dab page properly. That is a fair amount of work to clear one dablink; it's better in this case IMHO but obviously harder than just delinking. Thanks PKT for considering it and making the redlink. The other two can be unlinked i suppose.
- Aside: Expanding Template:CBC Radio to list presenters, copying ABC, would be good to do. That makes a worklist in effect, towards building coverage in this area. The "list of CBC personalities" is not friendly, and does not serve that kind of function. --doncram 00:29, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Dynamic list[edit]
For a dynamic hourly updated list see: http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Canada — Dispenser 13:46, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Ontario Retirement Pension Plan[edit]
I started this stub less than a week ago and don't have time to work on it. I just checked its wiki-statistics and I see that this new page has already had more than 10,000 views. This is unusual in my experience because many people in Canada do not use Wikipedia as a source of knowledge. It would be a shame if no one helps build up this page to show Canadians what Wikipedia can do. Ottawahitech (talk) 09:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's getting a ton of views because of Kathleen Wynne's electoral grandstanding. I don't know enough about the topic to add anything useful to the article though. Resolute 20:36, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. Just to clarify for non-Canadian editors, Kathleen Wynne is not currently running for election - the current elections are federal, I think. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Granted, but she has inserted herself into the federal campaign in a way that provincial premiers normally avoid. We're all free to have our own opinions about whether her interventions are justified or "grandstanding", but Resolute wasn't implying that there's a provincial election underway.
- Onto the matter at hand, though: you do have a bit of an unfortunate habit, when creating a new article, of actually doing the absolute bare minimum necessary to verify that the article's topic exists, and then expecting everybody else to do the rest of the work for you on the "actually adding any real substance or sourcing to the article beyond this is a thing that exists, the end" part of the equation. If it's that important to you that the article "show Canadians what Wikipedia can do", is there a reason why you can't be the doer instead of trying to guilt everybody else into it? Bearcat (talk) 18:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Guilt others to "Do the rest of the work" for me? --I thought ownership of articles on Wikipedia is frowned upon, No??? But in case you are REALLY interested, the reason I start a lot of articles, and not develop all of them from the getgo, is that I have been the target of the delitionist faction at Wikipedia, and have learnt the hard way not to put all my eggs in the same basket. BTW I was not implying that resolute was implying, I was simply trying to involve others who are not familiar with Canadian politics in this discussion. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is no "deletionist faction" at Wikipedia, if what you mean by "deletionist" is that the deleters are getting rid of stuff for no particular reason, and no blame whatsoever falls on the articles for not being up to snuff — what there is, is an insistence on proper sourcing that supports a legitimate claim of notability. And we all have that same responsibility — the only difference is that some people are better than others are at actually putting in the amount of work it takes to ensure that responsibility is being met.
- I, for instance, have had very few new articles that I've created ever actually nominated for deletion — and trust me when I say that it's not because I'm more popular around here than you are (some people actually bloody hate me for being such a hardass stickler for proper sourcing, and not letting musicians' PR-toned Bandcamp profiles or unelected political candidates' campaign brochures slide through unchallenged), but because I actually do the work it takes to ensure that my new articles actually pass our keepability standards right off the bat.
- I'm going to give you an example here: remember Randall Denley? You created that a few years ago, without ever asserting any notability besides his unelected candidacy in a forthcoming election, and then snarked up a storm that he was notable for other things besides that without ever actually showing or sourcing a single solitary word about what any of those other things might actually be — and it got redirected to a candidate list accordingly. Well, click on that link again and see what's there now — and then click on the edit history and check out who made it that way. It ain't that I get an automatic "keep because Bearcat" pass and you get an automatic "delete because Ottawahitech" fail, trust me — it's that I actually invested the time and effort to actually make it a better article than you ever did. You stacked and sourced his notability onto his unelected candidacy, and then pitched a holy fit when you were told that unelected candidates don't get articles on Wikipedia just for being candidates — I stacked his notability onto three novels, and thus got him past WP:AUTHOR. (And the fact that it's been able to stick around despite the original deletion discussion should also be a clue that I was right when I told you last year that AFD does not constitute a permanent ban on the subject ever having an article, but that a new article about a previously deleted topic can be recreated again, if somebody's actually willing to put in the work needed to make it better than it was the first time. You didn't believe me then, either — but guess what? I really was telling you the truth.)
- So, funnily enough, putting more into your new articles than "this is a thing that exists, the end" is precisely how you could avoid being the "target" of such "deletionist attacks" in the future. Bearcat (talk) 02:50, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I am glad that you have better luck with articles that you write, and thank you for writing the Randall Denley article. I on the other hand am still not sure what is notable and what is not — see for example Las Brisas condominium, an article that I recently started about an Ottawa condominium where each owner is(was?) facing a $66,000 special assessment to pay for renovations. This article is now at AFD. Ottawahitech (talk) 09:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Especially when it comes to a localized topic like that, the key to demonstrating notability is to keep in mind that your audience is not just your neighbour down the same street, who's looking for local information about local topics — your audience is also in Vancouver, Los Angeles, Singapore, Oslo, Mumbai, Sydney, Istanbul and Johannesburg. And notability is sustained over time, as well. A thing doesn't automatically get a Wikipedia article just because it's gotten into the local news for a day or two over one incident; it gets a Wikipedia article if and when there's been a long-term range of coverage of diverse aspects of it, demonstrating a reason why the entire world, not just one neighbourhood in Ottawa, needs to read the article.
- But that article doesn't demonstrate any reason at all why the world needs to know about it — and it also fails the thing I pointed out above about writing and sourcing more than just "this is a thing that exists, the end". Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the continued dialogue , Bearcat. I can’t help but wonder if what you said above can be translated into “notability is in the eye of the beholder”? (I assume you are responding to my comment about Las Brisas condominium above and not to the article at the top of this discussin?Ottawahitech (talk) 12:50, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Vandalism[edit]
If someone has time, please help watch and revert the vandalisms by IP 184.162.66.234. This vandal is persistent since yesterday with several attempts to insert bogus data in tables about past Canadian elections. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Alma, Ontario[edit]
The Wikipedia entries for Mapleton and Centre Wellington townships both claim that the town of Alma was included in the township boundary when they were formed in 1999. I don't know which is correct, but the current map of Mapleton in Google maps shows it includes Alma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.90.91 (talk) 09:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- The last version of MapArt's Ontario Road Atlas that I have access to places Alma square on the border between the two municipalities, and even on Google Maps it's only just tucked into a notch sticking out from a borderline that would actually be bisecting Alma if it had stayed continuously straight. It's entirely possible that one of the two is wrong about exactly where the border is located, or that the community is actually divided between the two — but due to the conflict between the two, we'd need further sources to confirm one way or the other, if anybody knows where a more definitive source can be found. Bearcat (talk) 07:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Alma appears to be just within Mapleton, Ontario. See census map or municipal map of Centre Wellington. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, those both confirm that the border notches around Alma per the Google Maps version of things — and as official government maps, they're obviously way more definitive than any commercial mapping company that may be prone to error. I'll fix the articles accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Laureen Harper[edit]
I know that people don't pay that much attention to the AFD process anymore (the sheer number of discussions I've seen that had to be relisted twice for complete lack of any participation at all attests to that), but I wanted to bring it to people's attention that there's a current case that's a bigger deal than usual: even though there's a standing consensus that Spouses of the Prime Ministers of Canada are a class of topic that are notable and eligible for articles, a user has tried to get Laureen Harper deleted on WP:NOTINHERITED grounds. The discussion's at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laureen Harper if anybody wants to weigh in. Bearcat (talk) 18:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Radio Broadcasting in Canada-- Need an Article?[edit]
DonnaHalper (talk) 19:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)I'm an American, a former broadcaster and current professor, with many years of experience writing about media history. I was looking for an article about the history of radio in Canada, to see if there were something I could add to it. But all I found was a long list of the stations, and a link to the Canadian Radio Broadcasting Foundation, which has a history that was written in 2005. Would you like an entry about radio in Canada, and if so, what would you like it to contain-- I'd be happy to take a stab at it!
- @DonnaHalper: Thanks for sharing your plans with us. I myself am not familiar with the topic radios in Canada, but I am sure there are others here who are and who may pop in later, so keep checking... Ottawahitech (talk) 17:12, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
DonnaHalper (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)I am not referring to "radios"-- although the technology is certainly a part of the story. I am referring to radio, the mass medium that began in Canada with XWA circa 1919-1920. If you want me to write about radio broadcasting in Canada, I'd be happy to start that essay!
- @DonnaHalper:; WP:BEBOLD! If there's a gap in information that you can help to fill, go for it. PKT(alk) 19:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
DonnaHalper (talk) 23:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)I am always happy to fill gaps in information if I can! Speaking of that, I also note you need entries on two great Canadian broadcasters-- Ken Soble and Jane Gray; or perhaps an article on Women Broadcasters? I can help with any or all of these. The one thing I have never done is start a new article: I know how to take a stub and make it into a full article, as I just did with both Night Heat and Scott Hylands. But if it's never existed, I am not experienced with that first step in creating it. I looked at the instructions, but I'm a visual learner and found the directions confusing. If anyone can help by creating a stub for Ken or Jane, I can take it from there!
- @DonnaHalper: I created a stub: Jane Grey (broadcaster) -- I hope you can do something wonderful with it. Thanks for helping build wikipedia. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
DonnaHalper (talk) 18:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)You are a saint! Can you also create one for her mentor, and a great Canadian broadcaster, Ken Soble (also on your list of folks you need entries for), and I will write one for him too. I hope you will like them both.
- Quick starter draft on Ken Soble ready for you. Thanks so much for the offer, we need all the help we can get for some of this stuff and the attention of experts in the field is very much welcome. Bearcat (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
DonnaHalper (talk) 06:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC) Okay, Ken Soble is absolutely not a stub anymore. See if you like what I did-- I hope you found it thorough. I do need help though-- for some reason, I couldn't get the reference list to come out right, and I don't know why. The list of sources I used printed out twice and the category ==references== didn't show up in the category box no matter what I did... Can someone fix it? Sorry I can't figure out what I messed up. (Btw, I didn't mention Mr. Soble's religion or say much about his family. Should I have?) I'm gonna do Jane Gray's entry next. Any other broadcasters screaming out to be removed from the "stub" category?
- Fixed, it was missing a </ref> Curiocurio 14:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
DonnaHalper (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC) Aww, thanks-- must have missed it. But was the entry okay? Can we now officially removed Mr. Soble from the list of entries that you need worked on? I'm starting on Jane Gray next. Other suggestions are welcome.
DonnaHalper (talk) 04:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC) And Jane Gray is also no longer a stub now. I hope you liked my work; let me know if there's anyone else you want me to expand upon.
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DonnaHalper (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)Yes, but it seems kind of general. Perhaps I can add more specifics to it!
Does anyone live in Dawson City...?[edit]
Hi! Does anyone live (or have friends or family who might live) in Dawson City, and would be prepared to take a photograph for an article? I've recently expanded an article on the O'Brien Brewing and Malting Company, a fascinating brewery active just after the Klondike Gold Rush, but it is lacking a decent photograph. The Dawson City Museum has some bottles produced by the company on display, and there is a beer wagon in Dawson City that once belonged to the company (seen here), but there are no suitably licensed photographs of either. Does anyone know of someone who might be able to help in taking a quick snap or two...? Hchc2009 (talk) 11:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Anyone else missing Skookum?[edit]
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- It is probably best not to talk about an editor who is no longer here and not able to respond or defend themselves. Resolute 17:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I miss skookum, mainly for selfish reasons. I cannot add him to wp:missing Wikipedians because he is indef blocked… So thought I would come here to see if anyone else misses him? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- I do! Yesterday I was thinking of him as I edited at Skookumchuck. (I found my way there because I was trying to clear one of wt:Canada's remaining dablinks.) As I converted it from a dab to a SIA I learned about what a Skookumchuck is: vigorous tidal whitewater/rapids at outlets of British Columbia's fjords. --doncram 23:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- The guy could be a pain sometimes with his abrasive communication style, but he was definitely always committed to getting the content right. And that's a type of commitment that seems all too rare on here sometimes. Bearcat (talk) 02:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm really sorry, Skookum1, if you are watching, but life here on Wikipedia is way more peaceful, serene and less dramatic. He was a great contributor, but his entrenched battleground mentality, emotional verbosity and expectation for others to do the work on his behalf did him and others that tried to help him little to no favours. Helping him, or explaining to him on the rare occasion that we was wrong, was a massive time sink. I remember helping to barely snatch a "keep" from the jaws of "delete" on an AfD for him that should have been a slam dunk keep if he could just take a technical, evidence-based approach rather than his habitual approach. I have no doubt many of his requests for help were ignored by others despite him being correct due to the time sink issue. I believe this as I was one of them, and I don't doubt therefore there were others feeling the same way. I do hope he is now healthier and less stressed, and I wish him all the best. If he were somehow to return and use a reformed approach, I would be over the moon. Respectfully, Hwy43 (talk) 05:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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Assistance request[edit]
It's just been brought to my attention that an anonymous user, User:68.194.86.101, has spent at least 12 full hours today editing literally hundreds of Canadian politicians to readd succession footers to the bottom of the article for positions whose successions are already listed in the infobox at the top of the same article, in violation of the principle of avoiding template creep. Although so far they appear to have stopped once I asked them to stop, they've edited more than enough articles that it's going to take at least a few people to get them cleaned back up — one person isn't going to be able to get them all done alone. Are there any volunteers willing to help out? If so, you can see the articles that need fixing via their edit history; anything that has (current) at the end of the edit, meaning that they were the last user to edit the article, needs to be reverted while anything without that notation has already been fixed. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I miss Skookum - a lot[edit]
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- With respect, Ottawahitech, I closed the last thread for a reason. Also, this is a noticeboard about topipcs relating to articles within the WP:CANADA project. It is not a generic discussion forum. Resolute 22:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
When I first posted this I said I missed user: Skookum1 for selfish reasons, but now that I think about it I believe I miss him for much more than that. Other than being great with words, I believe Skookum was a rare individual who wasn't afraid to speak his mind when helping the wiki-untouchables and he had a rare insight into things others don't. I wish there were more like him around.
I also wish this community was a bit more tolerant towards those who do not follow the norms, if only for self preservation. In my experience societies that ex-communicate those who are different just because they are different, risk having more enemies on the outside than on the inside, something that in the long run contributes to their demise. Oops TLDR. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I am closing this as there is no reason to "beat a dead horse". Mrfrobinson (talk) 00:33, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- With respect, user:resolute are you the owner of this talkpage? Ottawahitech (talk) 10:52, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- Go read Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_forum please. Mrfrobinson (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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- No more than you are, Ottawahitech. But as has already been noted, Wikipedia is not a forum. Nor is making a WP:POINT a good idea. Your posts are not adding anything constructive. Move on. Resolute 14:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ottawahitech, if you want to discuss this further, I'm happy to do so over email. However, I agree with Resolute that discussing the merits of a blocked editor here on a open noticeboard is not desirable. The Interior (Talk) 15:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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Welland francophone population[edit]
There seemed to be some concern about whether or not Welland has a large francophone population. According to a city website drawing on census figures, 10.5 per cent of Wellanders list French as their mother tongue. Considering it's 3.2 per cent for the rest of the Niagara Region, and 4 per cent for Canada as a whole, I'd say this constitutes a large francophone population. The referencing website is http://www.welland.ca/EDC/profile/cDemographics.pdf
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Reconciliation Canada[edit]
Hi there, I am new to Wikipedia, so I apologize if this is posted in the incorrect place. I work for the non-profit organization Reconciliation Canada and I believe our organization deserves a Wikipedia page. I have tried to follow the guidelines on the Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for requesting a page for my organization. I have submitted requests on both Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Requests and on Wikipedia:Requested articles. The request on the Canadian Wikipedians' Notice Board can be found here. Please advise on any next steps or changes required. As I said, I am new to Wikipedia, and I appreciate all your help and feedback! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpvancouver15 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Jpvancouver15! I'll take a look for some sources we could use to help determine the the notability of the org. You could help us by posting any major news coverage about Reconciliation Canada that you know of. A quick look at Google shows some possibilities. Best, The Interior (Talk) 00:45, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi there,The Interior! Thank you for your help! Here are some news articles that reference the work and history of Reconciliation Canada:
Please let me know if I can provide any further information! Jpvancouver15 (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Jpvancouver15, great. Keep them coming if you have any more. It would be great to have a piece that covers the org in detail. I'll see what I can do over the weekend. Chief Robert Joseph really needs a page as well. The Interior (Talk) 17:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, The Interior! Here are a few more. These pertain more to the organization in general:
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- I will also track down some news pieces referring specifically to Chief Joseph.Jpvancouver15 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Hallo, Canadians !
Would it be possible to take a photo of the tomb of Mr. Corey Haim, some time ? Greetings from Germany, Cologne!, keep up the good work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.209.75.96 (talk) 14:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Find A Grave says he’s buried at Pardes Shalom Cemetery, Vaughan, York RM, Ontario. That’s about 2700 km from where I live, but no doubt some of us are much closer.—Odysseus1479 23:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
- Shalom ! Odysseus, thank You for your reply. Sorry, I don't know that's so far away from You. :(. תודה, i have מקווה, greetings from Cologne (i am roman-catholic), i am a Croat, Hungary are not far away from Germany and Croatia, send You best wishes from good, old Europe, שוב תודה :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.209.75.96 (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Template:Canada-sport-stub is not noticeably Canadian. Instead of having the flag behind the sports items, shouldn't we have a red maple leaf superimposed on top of the sports items?
-- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- The article Sport in Canada has been rated as Top-importance/C-Class. Does not look like there is a lot of interest in the topic? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the template to my suggested format, as I find it better, and no one has objected -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
"Criminal Code of Canada" has been requested to be renamed, see talk:Criminal Code of Canada ; also the article itself is in somewhat poor shape, with unusual massive notes instead of being paragraphs, lack of inline references, mixtures of external links and refs, and weird external links sitting in the middle of the page. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- Doesn't this project have an canlaw sub-project? Ottawahitech (talk) 10:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
AfDs for buildings/structures in Stirling/Magrath/Warner area of Alberta[edit]
For those that may be interested:
Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Hwy43: Thanks for posting this here. Unfortunately it appears that those few participating here have no interest in preserving (this type of?) wikipedia content. Actually it appears that the readership of this talkpage is quite low for a project of this size? Ottawahitech (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
RfC for Elizabeth II[edit]
There is an RfC for the lede sentence to the Elizabeth II article which essentially amounts to should the lede say "Elizabeth II is Queen of the United Kingdom and 15 other independent states", or "Elizabeth II is Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and 12 other independent states". If anyone is interested in the topic and has anything to add. trackratte (talk) 19:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Current events/Canada/Terms of use[edit]
Could do with some more comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Current events/Canada/Terms of use especially dealing with the second comment. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Old City of Ottawa[edit]
I cannot find an article for Ottawa like the one for Old City of Toronto — there must be one somewhere? Ottawahitech (talk) 10:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- Wouldn't that basically be Bytown? Resolute 14:22, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure Ottawahitech is talking about Ottawa as it existed prior to the municipal merger of 2001, when Ottawa and Nepean and Vanier and Kanata and Rockcliffe and Gloucester were separate things. We do indeed have an article about the pre-1997 core of Toronto as a separate topic from the current city — but conversely, we don't have articles about the pre-1971 version of Winnipeg, the pre-2001 versions of Hamilton or Sudbury, or the pre-2002 versions of Gatineau or Montreal, as separate topics from their post-merger iterations. In all of those cases, the city's entire history is covered in the same article as the current post-merger incarnation, and the pre-merger incarnation does not have a separate article as a standalone topic from the post-merger one.
- This isn't a thing we automatically do every time a municipal merger happens — it's a thing that can happen if there's enough editor commitment to actually writing an article that's substantive enough to warrant standing alone as a separate topic, but it's not a thing that must automatically follow from all municipal amalgamations. So it's a thing that Ottawa could have if people were actually prepared to put serious work into writing a good article about it — but it's not a thing that Ottawa would automatically get as an inevitable consequence of the 2001 merger, so there's no requirement that it must exist. Bearcat (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Considering the weird situations resulting from the megacities creations, a "old-city" type coverage should be contained in the prior supramunicipal organization articles (ie. Metro Toronto, Montreal Urban Community (after the partial demergers, this was revived as the Montreal Agglomeration Council), etc) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
AfC submissions[edit]
See Draft:Working income tax benefit (WITB) and Draft:Canada's Ecofiscal Commission. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
2015 Federal election & the potential premature edits[edit]
Just a reminder. We better be on our toes, just in case the Conservatives don't end up with the most seats. In such a scenerio, many related articles will be prematurely updated, before an actual change of government. GoodDay (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Flesh out an article?[edit]
Anyone familiar with the book The Fight for Canada? It's up for AfD and I've found enough reviews to justify a keep, but I need help from someone familiar with the book (or its subject, Canadian history) that could write out a good summary or place other information in the article. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Édouard Beaupré[edit]
I've reversed edits on Édouard Beaupré twice already. There seems to be some confusion over the height and weight of this person although references are in place.-- Kayoty (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated Banff National Park for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.--Jarodalien (talk) 00:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
"Hockey pool"[edit]
FYI, there's a suggestion that a merger of hockey pool into fantasy hockey should be done, for the discussion, see talk:hockey pool -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Leader of the NDP: isn't it John Horgan?[edit]
If you go to the BC NDP page, the leader is John Horgan, not Adrian Dix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.194.254.129 (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- The BC NDP page is correct. Where does it say that Dix is still leader? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I think it's possible the IP is getting tangled up on the fact that Dix, not Horgan, is the last leader listed in the "election results" table — but that's also entirely correct, as Horgan became leader after the most recent election, and hasn't yet led the party into an election himself. Bearcat (talk) 22:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Input requested[edit]
Wanted to ask for some input from the Canadian contingent about this Daily Xtra article from earlier this week. In theory, it would be a naturally good source for a couple of details contained therein — but there's a big, potentially explosive red flag: towards the end of the article, there rests the sentence "The NDP ran five other gay and lesbian candidates that were defeated: Scott Bell (Saskatoon Grasswoods), Jacqui Gingras (North Okanagan-Shuswap), Paul Harris (Red Deer-Mountain View), Deborah Chief (Selkirk-Interlake-Eastman) and former Saskatchewan finance minister Andrew Thomson (Eglinton-Lawrence)."
Now, y'all know me — Category:LGBT politicians from Canada is one of the things I actively follow, to the point that I could even name you several unsourceable closet cases beyond John Baird. And on WP:CANQUEER I've been actively tracking the known LGBT candidates during the election, so that I'd know which ones would require the WP:LGBT project tag if they won seats on Monday (I already had Bell, Gingras and Harris on that list, as well as both Randy Boissonnault and Sheri Benson.) But Andrew Thomson's a new one even on me — and indeed, on at least an initial search of both Google and Proquest I can't find a shred of evidence that any reliable source has ever said this before either (even Xtra's own website doesn't bring up a shred of evidence that even they've ever said this before.) So for the moment I can't figure out whether this is a fuckup on Xtra's part, a recent coming-out that just didn't make the news because a politician coming out is hardly news anymore, a forced outing of a person who's actually still in the closet, or a thing people already knew which somehow escaped me and for which I'm just not looking in the right place for backup confirmation.
Obviously I'm not going to use this source in and of itself to describe or categorize Thomson as gay on Wikipedia — for the moment, I'm not even using it for the straightforward facts it is good enough to source, precisely because I don't want to call any more attention to the Thomson problem than absolutely necessary — but I wanted to ask if anybody knows of any other source that would corroborate. Bearcat (talk) 23:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's probably a case of a wrong name by accident or something. Maybe call or email the original reporter and ask? Otherwise wait for another source. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:21, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- I did some searching of my own and nothing came up besides the Xtra article you mentioned except an obviously unreliable poll in which most people classified him as LGBT. I second emailing the original reporter to see if there's a print source or hard to find internet source that they used. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 12:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Should we keep Timeline of Canadian history an unsourced article that contains many things unrelated to Canada? Or just redirect the page as it was before back to List of years in Canada, Looks like someone gave up on the page. I dont see any benefit to the new article over all the info that is listed in the list of years. -- Moxy (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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- the very thin article has problems all right--but timelines are basically indexes to other Wiki articles where you can expect to find documentation. I think its useful-- the list of years has far too many entries for someone new to Canadian history and it does not easily reveal major events. It should be expanded, I suggest. Rjensen (talk) 23:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- It needs to be redone by someone that is aware of Canadian content...15th,16th 17th centure have nothing to do with Canada. This article needs real work a redirect fr now is best over having un sourced - unrelated shit. Now we have a copy and paste of our BIB that is on another page. PS even list need sources Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Citing sources. Think I am going to ask for deletion. -- Moxy (talk) 23:57, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- "Unsourced" is not a valid reason for deletion. Perhaps a better idea is to brainstorm (on the article talk page), what should be included and what shouldn't. I mean, I could probably do up a decent referenced list in a couple hours this weekend using my own ideals for criteria. But why not make it a collaborative project and I'll volunteer to copyedit for consistent style and add whatever sources others don't once we're done? Resolute 00:04, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ehh, probably useful if expanded properly. Though yeah, the deaths and succession of British and French monarchs is irrelevant to a timeline of Canadian history. I wouldn't even count electoral results in the list - except for the first. But if someone wanted to clean-up, source and expand, I'd say more power to them. Resolute 23:55, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- I trimmed away a lot of the useless European stuffing. I like timelines, and I think they can be very useful. Especially at a lot of different people had to them, thereby providing a sense of the most important developments in Canadian history. Rjensen (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Provincial & Territorial seats in the House of Commons[edit]
Would someone update the post-2015 election totals, in each provincial & territorial article? GoodDay (talk) 00:44, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Are the numbers solid yet? Unless I missed the news, there’s at least one judicial recount still to be done.—Odysseus1479 03:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Likely not until November 9th. Debouch (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- At least three recounts: Edmonton Mill Woods in progress with results expected Oct 29, Montmagny–L'Islet–Kamouraska–Rivière-du-Loup starts Oct 29, Barrie–Springwater–Oro–Medonte starts Oct 30. Meters (talk) 05:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Edmonton Mill Woods review completed (minor count change but seat remains Liberal), and the riding article has been updated. Meters (talk) 05:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
We need some input at Harper's infobox. Should we include or exclude Harper's supposed departure date as PM (i.e November 4, 2015), before he resigns? -- GoodDay (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously??? November 4 is only 1 week from now, but this discussion will likely drag on far beyond November 4. ;-) Just put up with it for 1 short week. BTW, WP:CRYSTALBALL#1 deals with this. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 12:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
AfC submission 29/10/15[edit]
See Draft:Robert Jaffray Christie. Thank you, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Rideau Hall
Would appreciate some input at that article, concerning number of sources for who's Rideau Hall's official resident. GoodDay (talk) 04:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
King-Byng Affair
Woould also appreciate some input at that article. Concerning if we should or shouldn't describe George V as King George V of the United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 06:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- It's not necessary, GoodDay. The link is not ambiguous - it points to the correct person, per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. PKT(alk) 13:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Action Plan website taken down[edit]
For anyone that may have time to fix/update links or refs, the website "Canada's Economic Action Plan" is gone. There are a bunch of links that need to be removed, updated, or linked to an archival source. Mindmatrix 04:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
A new article about a Canadian musician[edit]
Editors may wish to look at Michael Laucke.—Anne Delong (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
The effect of the User:Neelix editing controversy is that several editors are bringing many of his articles to Afd. Neelix was very prolific and mass deletion would have a significant impact on the representation of Canada on this project. We obviously don't want to keep articles on non-notable topics but in a number of cases I've seen articles that I believe are notable end up there, as well. I would ask that members keep an extra close eye on Canada deletion sorting including the provincial pages during this period as we have a higher than normal volume there. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- See Special:Contributions/Neelix. You can find information about the problematic edits at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Neelix/Evidence, the gist of it being that Neelix has created many worthwhile articles, many dubious BLPs, and tens of thousands of questionable redirects. The user's talk page has a subpage for deletion discussions. The user has also created hundreds (maybe thousands) of categories on Commons, some of which are questionable; there's currently a discussion at Commons' AN/U. Mindmatrix 16:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Canada's monarchial succession[edit]
We seem to have inconsistency across Monarchy of Canada, Primogeniture, Perth Agreement and possibly others. Is Canada's succession to the throne still male-preference or was that eliminated in March 2015? We need input at those 3 articles. GoodDay (talk) 16:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- See WP:FORUMSHOP. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 16:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not favouring one over the other. I'm seeking consistency across related articles. So the Forumshop accusation is baseless. GoodDay (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- WP:FORUMSHOP: "Raising essentially the same issue on multiple noticeboards and talk pages..." 1 Monarchy of Canada; 2 Perth Agreement; 3 Primogeniture; 4 here. Even if you discount the "notice" here (though, such often instigate discussion where they're left), that's still three messages about the same issue left essentially simultaneously at three different locations. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 16:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Since I'm not pushing for one version of succession over another. I fail to understand your protestation. Anyways, I'll leave that to others to decipher. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- The provisions of the succession act came into force in March, except that it only applies to heirs born after 2011. What is the dispute? TFD (talk) 17:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Have the provisions come in to force? That doesn't seem to be the case at Monarchy of Canada. GoodDay (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please take any further discussion of this issue to Talk:Monarchy_of_Canada#Succession to keep the discussion in one place. Meters (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Attention Canadian administrators[edit]
I have noticed a recent editing pattern that may be against proper procedure. I would like Canadian administrators and template editors to check out Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Jerome501. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 05:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes of provinces & territories[edit]
Anybody know how to update those infobox so that they show 338 House of Commons seats, instead of 308? GoodDay (talk) 03:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Done eg. Alberta....before=House seats 28 of 308 (9.1%) -......after=House seats 28 of 338 (8.3%)--Moxy (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
"Trudeau Government"[edit]
Someone has proposed that Premiership of Justin Trudeau be renamed to Trudeau Government, see the discussion at Talk:Premiership of Stephen Harper -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
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