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November 20

Joshua Travagli soccer player (2)

> > Hello sir's, > > I see this message at the top of the wikipedia page and I'm sorry but we're > not agree: > > This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's > deletion policy. > Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the > Articles for deletion page. > Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this > notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more > information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the > discussion, read the guide to deletion. > > I'm really surprise because people are doing "pages" for full teams like > RedBull II . > > such as : Red Bull II ( second team ) never have more then few lines on > newspapers or article ..and they do have the full detail made by someone for > them ( you can check them out ) . > > this is the guy: > > Elopez76 > > I'm really disappointed, I'm trying to build something here if I have few > mistake I would like to be guided. > > that's all. > > thanks > > regards > > M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.216.198.68 (talk) 02:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

You asked the same question three days ago and got answers. Did you see those, and was there anything specific you didn't understand? Rojomoke (talk) 04:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

You'll find your previous question and answers at #Joshua Travagli soccer player above. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

want to edit naima adedapos page

I want to brcome z Wikipedia editor for my first attempt I would like to add content to an article about naima adedapo she recordrd an ep she was on American idol I am a donor to wikepedia and teach people how to use pcs tablets and windows phones I have 3y years exp and have developrd 2o web sites just tell me how I can help continue this great work allan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clare1000 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Welcome aboard, Clare1000. You can find the article you are looking for here: Naima Adedapo. You can find useful tips to help you in editing here: Help:Editing. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 07:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Martineau family

Could you please check that the dates are correct for ref. number 6 on the above page. Should I have the original date of the publication in there too? cheers Srbernadette (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Done, see further comments on my talk page as a reply to the message you left there. Tiggerjay (talk) 03:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

How do i divide references into columns

There is currently an article that I am currently working on which has around 60 references, all stacked into one column that is extensive. I am unsure how to divide it into columns to reduce reference section's height and need some advice with this, with appreciation.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 03:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

There should be a {{reflist}} near the bottom of the article. Add the term colwidth=30em, so it ends up something like: {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}} Rwessel (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try it now.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 07:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Upload a new picture on an existing page

Hi, I've tried unsuccessfully to upload a newer picture on an existing Wikipedia page. I just joined Wikipedia. It's saying that I have to wait 4 days but also make 10 edits to be "confirmed." I don't want to make any other edits except to update one picture. Is there a way around it? Do I have to really make 10 edits? Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadhja (talk • contribs) 03:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Yes, unfortunately you will need to wait as it is one of the protection mechanisms to prevent misuse and abuse. Tiggerjay (talk) 03:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

You may submit an upload request at: Files for upload, Nadhja. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 07:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Gaston G. Allaire

Gaston G. Allaire is born in Berlin, New-Hampshire, as correctly noted in "Early Life...". However on a Bing search in the WIKI information box that appear to the right he is shown as being born in Berlin, Germany. Can you please correct as I don't know how to access this type of edit.

Thank you

PS. Also, Can we link to Web Archive for Website? Allairefictamusic (talk) 06:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Allairefictamusic: to link to a web archive, use the parameters archive-url= and archive-date= in Template:Cite web. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 07:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Allairefictamusic: I don't see such boxes in Bing, maybe because I'm in Denmark. I assume it's a Bing variant of the issue described at {{HD/GKG}} for Google and {{HD/YKG}} for Yahoo. I don't know whether Bing boxes have a Feedback link to mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I just created {{HD/Bing}} based on the Google and Yahoo templates.--ukexpat (talk) 13:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Add aircraft to Missing Aircraft page

The Wiki page List of missing aircraft is missing information on the BE 1900 missing off Sao Tome as referenced in Jerry Krause (missionary). Could you please ask someone to add this aircraft to the list? The family is still actively searching for answers and having this aircraft referenced on this page would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.159.253 (talk) 15:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Done per your request. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Source / Foot note question please

Probably a very stupid question, but can someone please tell me what these little icons mean when they are to the left of a foot note? Thank you.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by California2015-XX (talk • contribs) 16:15, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Clicking on the "icon" will bring you to where it is used in context in the article itself. Where you see a, b, c, etc -- it indicates that it has been references multiple times in different places throughout the article. Tiggerjay (talk)

So is the a,b,c etc. the actual source? The icons are just used instead of repeating the same source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by California2015-XX (talk • contribs) 16:23, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

No, the a, b, c... are the actual places in the article using that reference. If you look at Rosetta_(spacecraft), you'll see "^ a b" next to reference #3 ("Scuka, Daniel (10 September 2014)"). If you click on the "a", it'll take you to the "Periapsis" line in the infobox (you'll see the superscript "[3]" at the end of that, and if you click on the "b", it'll take you to the "10 September 2014" entry in "Timeline of major events and discoveries"/"2014", where, again, you'll see the "[3]" at the end. If there's just a single use, the "^" is clickable instead, and take you to that location (and the a, b, c... is omitted). Rwessel (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

But if all the foot note is showing is the arrows, what is the actual source? To what reference are they pointing to? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by California2015-XX (talk • contribs) 17:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

In the situation where you have something a citation that looks like Jorgensen 1982 p 15, there should be a references/bibliography section below the citations which contains the information on a book/paper by Jorgensen written in 1982. In this case (the article is North Hollywood) in the biography is the line "Jorgensen, Lawrence C., The San Fernando Valley Past and Present, Pacific Rim Research, 1982, ISBN 0-941014-00-2".Naraht (talk) 17:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

In addition the multiple entries (like the a b c) are generated by using namedrefs. Take a look at Help:Referencing for beginners for more information.Naraht (talk) 17:13, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

(ec) The "actual source" is what's in the footnote. The "^" just links to where the article references the footnote. Consider reference #3 in the Rosetta_(spacecraft) article. It looks something like:

 ^ a b Scuka, Daniel (10 September 2014). "Down, down we go to 29 km – or lower?". European Space Agency. Retrieved 13 September 2014.

Clicking on the "a" and "b" will jump to the two points in the article I mentioned earlier. The actual reference is the ESA Rosetta blog entry, which is linked by the "Down, down we go to 29 km – or lower?". Note that the "^" is not clickable, since there is more than one use of that reference in the article. If there were only a single use, the letters would be omitted, and the "^" would be clickable instead.

In the (hard to read) screenshot you provided (what's the actual article, it might be easier to talk about the actual case), reference #7 is "Jorgenson 1982, p. 82". That style of reference is normally used when "Jorgenson 1982" is a reference defined elsewhere (it most commonly in a separate list, but not always), and the p.82 adds specificity to that reference. Usually in that style the name will be the last name of the first author, and the date the date of publication. So that would be the thing to look for. But again, the "^" will take you to where "Jorgenson 1982, p. 82" is used in the article.

That isn't the most common style on WP (or in general), but it is often used in heavily referenced pieces. You can see that style used in SS Edmund Fitzgerald, for example. Note #1, for example, is "^ NTSB 1978, p. 3.". That actually references this item in the "references" section: "National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) (May 4, 1978). "Marine Accident Report: SS Edmund Fitzgerald Sinking in Lake Superior on November 10, 1975" (PDF). NTSB. Retrieved November 9, 2010." In that case the article (nicely) links the "NTSB" in the footnote to the actual reference (so you can click on the "NTSB"). Several other footnotes refer to that reference (35, 37 and about a dozen more). Rwessel (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

OOOOOhhhhhhh...ok...So how would someone know that the "citation" means you have to connect one of those citations to something listed under Bibliography? Using the North Hollywood page as the example:

6. Link 1991, p. 31 7. ^ Jorgenson 1982, p. 82 8. ^ Link 1991, pp. 31, 33 9. ^ Link 1991, pp. 34–35

How would I know that the above is telling me to connect these with what is under Bibliography?

Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by California2015-XX (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

In general, well, because that's the way it is. As I mentioned, this is common way to do references in heavily references pieces. You see it in historical or technical works all the time, for example, and has been used for a very long time (it certainly far predates the Internet!). That style, (name+year), is very common, and is understood to be a "link" to another spot. That being said, the article in question (North Hollywood, Los Angeles) mixes the two styles and I can see it being a bit confusing, but it's the (name+year) style that is the tip-off that it's an indirect reference. Rwessel (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

(e/c)This article uses a mix of references and bibliography which is less standard, and usually we prefer one or the other. Often I see this when an article was initially drafted by someone use to the traditional type of paper/printed written work and providing a Bibliography at the end of their research. The more preferred way is having inline citations, which is the first half... the confusion is introduced when we use both citations and a bibliography. However, in printed books, you would see things such as Jorgenson 1821, p. 82 mentioned inline in the book text itself, and then you would know as a reader to look at the Bibliography section in the back of the book. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Odd Alert Message

My alert messages today including a message saying "The page [[[[unknown probably deleted page]]]] was patrolled by [Admin name]." I had tagged a few pages for speedy deletion as patent nonsense created by a blocked user (blocked for creating the patent nonsense). Am I correct that this message is just a side effect of the page being deleted? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Basically, yes. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:37, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

"unknown probably deleted page" usually or always means the page has been deleted by the time you see the notification, but I don't think the notification was caused by a deletion. If you name the admin and notification time then maybe we see what happened in the logs. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Posting questions

RESPECTED SIR/MADAM, I WANT TO ASK THAT IF I POST SOMETHING LIKE MY PROBLEMS, REQUEST, QUESTIONS ON WIKIPEDIA PAGE SO ANY BODY CAN SEE THAT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammad asad 96 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Muhammad asad 96: If I understand your question, yes, everyone can see what you post here. We don't have much privacy around here. And please, DON'T SHOUT. It is considered rude to type in all caps on the Internet since it is seen as shouting. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 21:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

W (Billy) Roberts

I wrote an article to enter into Wikipedia to get a friend, W (Billy) Roberts in this database for playing professional soccer. However the article was declined for the following reason:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines for sports persons and athletes and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

Did I type the references in wrong or are the source references in need of correction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhoffman31 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

For notability, including which Leagues count as Notable, please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football.Naraht (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I've removed the OP's phone number

@Jhoffman31: Nobody is going to call you. That's not how we communicate here. Answers to your question will be provided in this section. To reply to us, you can click Edit at the top of this section and add your reply below ours.

To expand on what Naraht said above, the specific location that they were directing you to at WikiProject Football is the notability section. For an article to remain at Wikipedia, the subject of the article (in this case Billy Roberts) must be notable according to our definition of that term. To prove that notability, references to magazines, newspapers, and the like must be provided in the article. For a quick and dirty lesson on how to add those references, please see WP:REFB. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 21:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jhoffman31: in addition, it is recommended that you do not attempt to write about yourself or people you know personally. in such instances you generally have a conflict of interest that will hamper your ability properly edit content about the subject, particularly sticking to the neutral presentation of the subject -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

My first edit & article were deleated

Dear Sir or Ma'am: Today I joined the Wikipedia community and made my first financial contribution. Being very excited, I made a one sentence edit to the female entrepreneur article and added the wiktionary article preneuress, which is a female entrepreneur. I was surprised to see that both were later deleated. Would it be possible to find out why the administrator deleated it? I thought the edits looked professional and was very discouraged. I was hoping to be a regular contributor to your community.

I carefully studied other articles before posting. I love Wikipedia and would be very greatful for any advice on how to successfully contribute to your community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Femalecoder (talk • contribs) 22:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment for helper: Possible multiple accounts, 1femalecoder also made edits to mentioned article samtar ^{t} 22:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Femalecoder:

If you look at the history tab of the page you edited here you can see a record of each edit made and, if the person who made the edit left one, the edit summary explaining their action. you can see that your edit has been removed twice with the edit summaries: unsourced and unsourced - even the wikionary entry was deleted. This is because content at Wikipedia must be WP:verifiable as having previously been published in a reliable source. User generated content such as Wiktionary and Wikipedia is not a reliably published source.

Wikipedia also is not a place to promote new words - we wait until the reliable sources have established it as a common usage.

Wiktionary is a different project from english wikipedia and has different rules about what they consider appropriate entries, and so I dont know exactly why the entry was deleted over there, but probably for similar reasons. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:29, 20 November 2015 (UTC) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

investigation at Wiktionary shows this [1] which links to their inclusion criteria. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

(and on a personal observation level, I find it hard to imagine that in a world where all the other gendered -press and -tress and -trix nouns are finding their way to the dust bin that a new gendered -press noun will find much traction.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Advice on Dealing with Corporate User Names

At Articles for Creation, I sometimes encounter three different situations where the subject of the draft is the same as the author of the draft. I am primarily asking about one situation, but would appreciate comments on the other two situations also.

The first situation is that the article is about a company, and the user name is the name of the company (or form of the name of the company). I decline the draft, typically as unsourced, or sourced only with the company’s own web site, for failure to satisfy corporate notability guidelines, and also note the conflict of interest. I am aware that in extreme cases I can also tag the article for speedy deletion as G11 (blatant advertising). That isn’t the question. The question has to do with the user name itself. I see that there are two options, to template the user via Twinkle for a user name issue, and to report the user name to the username noticeboard. The template instructs me not to use it if I am also reporting the account. So my question is: What rule of judgment should I use in deciding whether to template the user name (one warning) or to report the user name to UAA?

The second situation is that the article is a biography of a living person. Normally it can be declined as an unsourced BLP. (Normally editors who use Wikipedia for an autobiography don’t know the footnoting requirement.) Occasionally I have to decline it as failing to meet notability standards for a person. I also note that the submission of autobiographies is strongly discouraged due to conflict of interest). Is there agreement that this is the correct approach? The third situation is that the draft is a very short description of who the editor is and what they will be doing in Wikipedia. In that case I normally advise the editor that it is a reasonable start for a user page that does not need to be submitted via AFC. In one case I had to remove personally identifying information such as an email address.

What rule should be used in deciding whether to report a corporate account name to UAA or to caution it? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Whether to warn or report (which will often lead to a block) is a judgement call. Personally, if I think there is a reasonable likelihood that the account might become a reasonable contributor, I will warn. If it seems to be a blatant spammer I will report, or simply block directly. Contrawise, if I am patrolling UAA and see a report of soemoen who seems to be trying to comply with the rules but doesn't understand then well, I will warn and suggest a user name change. I am particularly likely to do this if there have been any positive edits at all, or any response to any help or advise msg indicating acceptance of how things are done here. Indeed, merely using AfC rather than simply starting an article in mainspace that is full of spam is a point towards warning, in my view. But you can always report and leave the patrolling admin to sort it out. Some other admins will block more quickly than I will over username issues.

Otherwise your procedure above is sound, except that you should normally check for a copyvio first of all. unsourced copy profiles are surprisingly often cut&paste copies of a page on the company web site, and unsourced bios, particularly of entertainers and authors, but also of lawyers ad buisnmess people, are often copies of their "standard bio" which will be posted on their own site and possibly on verious other sites as well, normally without a free license.

On the other hand, when a new user seems to be trying to do the right thing, I often tend to engage directly beyond the boilerplate notices. Wikipedia can be very confusing to a new editor. DES ^(talk) 23:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

November 21

Billyc840 page deleted

NAC:User page was deleted by admin User:Anna Frodesiak and OP has been warned. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I disagree with this deletion and what to reverse this. I posted MY talk page with links to article I HAVE WRITTEN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BillyC840 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@BillyC840: Advertising is not allowed on you user page any more than it is allowed anywhere else. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:23, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Lord Mayor's Cup 1989

Dear Wikipedia

Re Lord Mayor's Cup Doomben Brisbane Queensland in 1989. The race was won by horse CAV LON on 4th November 1989., not Bravery as shown in Wikipedia. Bravery won the Carnival Handicap earlier in the year (May). As shown in Wikipedia the race listed in Wikipedia had several name changes over the years. CAV LON was owned by Ken and Melva Cavanough and it is disappointing for them to read no reference to CAV LON winning the Lord Mayor's in 1989. Brisbane Lord Mayor Sally Anne Atkinson presented the cup to the winning connections (race sponsored by Commonwealth Industrial Gases (CIG)). We have newspaper and photo evidence. The Doomben race results were published in the Brisbane Sunday Mail on 5th November 1989. Australian Bloodhound Information Services does list CAV LON's race records correctly.

Ken Cavanough recently celebrated his 90th birthday. Ken and Melva Cavanough also celebrated their 70th wedding anniversary in 2014. CAV LON after 100 starts became a household pet and only died a couple of years ago almost 30 years of age.

Racing Australia TTSC Syndication Consultant may have further information if required.

Sincerely

William Smith

Please refer to the following URL.

Lord Mayor's Cup (BRC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.161.84 (talk) 01:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

• Please provide reliable sources to support the claims you made above. Thanks. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Tiggerjay, the OP refers to the report in the Brisbane Sunday Mail. That should be as reliable a source as is needed.

William, the place to ask for this change is on the Talk Page for the article: Talk:Lord Mayor's Cup (BRC). I've copied your request there. Rojomoke (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Rojomoke somehow I missed the reference, thanks! Tiggerjay (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

What do I need to add to make it a reliable source?

Hi,

Just a quick question on my page Paul Rowley (broadcaster) What would you need me to add to it make make it reliable?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulrowley11 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

• See WP:RS. As well as WP:AUTOBIO for more information. However, in short we don't recommend people writing about themselves. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
• I was, however able to find some sources and added them to the article. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:Hickory Flats

Reference help requested. the comment refers to a referencing error, but did not state where the error occurred. I am first time editor. Please help by pointing out where the error occurred Thanks, Djenkins bburg (talk) 02:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Djenkins bburg You appear to have fixed this with your edits at 01:26 and 01:29 on 16 November 2015. Rwessel (talk) 04:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Jaccob Slavin

Reference help requested. I don't understand the error I've apparently made. Thanks, HeyKurtz (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

HeyKurtz The URL appears to have contained pipe characters, which confused the template parser (which uses pipes to separate parameters). I think the "&navid=DL|CAR|home" was just some URL rewriting done when the site was being navigated (and not otherwise needed), and I removed it. Please verify that the link is still to the correct web page. Rwessel (talk) 04:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Buying center

Reference help requested. I am unsure what is the error in the reference. Thanks, Blamethemessenger (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Blamethemessenger This was fixed by Quebec99 13:31, 3 March 2014. Rwessel (talk) 05:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Noam Chomsky

Reference help requested. Hoping that these requests are linked to the issue that caused the request in the first place. Re. my page number error I cannot see the error on the actual page itself when I go into fix it. The error only appears to be bit where the error is highlighted. In a nutshell I think I had assumed I should also add in the total number of pages in book but perhaps this is not the case? Cheers Thanks, Blamethemessenger (talk) 05:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Blamethemessenger This (as is the prior item) is an edit from last December, it was also subsequently fixed. Are you perhaps just noticing the year-old messages on your talk page? Rwessel (talk) 05:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

And the referencing issue for Mentalism (philosophy) from last December has also been fixed. Rwessel (talk) 05:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

The "pages" field often causes confusion. It is an alternative to the "page" field, to be used (I think) when the passage you are citing covers more than one page. Maproom (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

New listing on Wikipedia

Good day Wikipedia,

I would like to list me and my dance partner on Wikipedia. We were 7 times undefeated professional dance champions and 9 times world representatives.

South Africa have a lot of dance history but not a lot available to the people. Please advise.

Regards, Brian Schmidt & Meryl Williams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Schmidt Ballroom (talk • contribs) 15:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I have left a note on your talk page. HighInBC 17:13, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

David William Lewis and David W. Lewis

... are the same person. First Confederate Congress links to David William Lewis and David William Lewis links back to First Confederate Congress. But David W. Lewis links also to Congress of the Confederate States. Date of death is unclear: David W. Lewis uses two different dates (December 12 and 18) and David William Lewis another still (December 28). Same with birth place: According to David W. Lewis Lumpkin County, Georgia and Hancock County, Georgia and David William Lewis Hancock County, Georgia. --Ephraim33 (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Ephraim33, while it looks plausible, do you have any sources to confirm these are the same person? Neither article is currently at all well sourced. If there are sources, a WP:MERGE should be done. DES ^(talk) 19:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

See Common Sense. It is clear that these are the same person, with slightly inconsistent (but not seriously inconsistent) dates of death. The alternative, which is that they are two different people with the same or almost the same name and the same birth year and death month, violates Occam's Razor by creating an absurdly complicated explanation. Situations like this, with multiple slightly different records that are clearly the same person, arise in genealogy all the time. It is true that none of the articles are well sourced. However, my opinion is that the various sources are consistent enough that they should be merged. (If there is a source that actually indicates that there were two people, they can be later split.) Robert McClenon (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

There must be a history book of the Confederacy that lists all of the members of their House of Representatives. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

While Provisional Confederate Congress, First Confederate Congress and Second Confederate Congress are obviously not RS, they do list the representatives and senators of the Confederacy, and they all reference "The Historical Atlas of the Congresses of the Confederate States of America: 1861-1865, by Kenneth C. Martis (Simon and Schuster 1994)", which presumably *is* a RS. Looking at the WP articles, there is a "David Peter Lewis" listed in the Provisional Congress, a "John Wood Lewis, Sr." and a "David William Lewis" listed in the First, and no persons with the surname Lewis in the second. I would say that the odds of these articles being about different persons is negligible. Rwessel (talk) 06:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Childrens Theatre Company - regarding edit submitted by Cedar Riverside on November 21: what is needed for reference? My edit is based on extensive personal contacts and first-hand experience during that early period of the Moppet Players and Childrens Theatre history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedar Riverside (talk • contribs)

Hello @Cedar Riverside:. At Wikipedia, all information must be verifiable as coming from reliably published source and so your "extensive personal contacts and first-hand experience" mean nothing to us until you get them published. Until then, you will need to provide citations to content that others have already published. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Albert Henry Loeb

In an article you have on Albert Henry Loeb you mistakenly say that HE named his farm "Castle Farms." He did not he named it Loeb Farms and after the barns were sold one of the new owners named it Castle Farms. I do believe it is currently named, "Castle Barns." My source is a simple one: I am Great Grandson of Albert Loeb, his second oldest son, Ernest was my grandfather and I vacationed there well into my fifties.

Thank You, David Silberman son of Jane Allen Loeb Sooy Ernest Loeb's oldest daughter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.153.131 (talk) 19:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I've taken care of the issue. Thanks for noting this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

November 22

Sophie, Countess of Wessex

I have made an edit which has a verifiable citation - yet it comes up as a possible vandalism?!!! Please check our edit - we are all sure it is fine and adds to the biography of the person in question. Thanks 02:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.250.204 (talk)

Yes, the edit looks fine. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 02:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help - BUT the Debrett's Peerage book - which is currently beside me as I write - was published in 2000, NOT 2015 - should the correct date be amended on the recent edit on the Sophie, Countess of Wessex page? Or is it fine to leave it as 2015? Thanks again101.182.250.204 (talk) 03:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Please someone help

Is the date on ref. number 29 0k on the above page? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 06:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Trying to upload new version of an image file, but it stays the same

I'm trying to upload a better version of the image file: File:EU members where more people in favor of the European Federation.png. I've tried twice now, but the new version that I'm uploading doesn't show up. It still just shows the old version with mistakes, even though the file size has changed. How do I get the image to actually change? Do I just have to wait or something? (note: I'm doing this on Wiki Commons by pressing the "Upload a new version of this file" button) --Hibernian (talk) 08:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

The file as I see it has your changes. (BTW your link to the file above was wrong; so I fixed the file link.) —teb728 t c 10:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I have had the same problem recently and had to wait several hours before the new file displayed...GrahamHardy (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, it seems to be displaying correctly now. --Hibernian (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

create new wikipedia page

Hello,

i am new to wikipedia. Can you please guide me how to create a new article on wikpedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chayan11 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Chayan11: there are a couple of guides available, how about you check out My first article, and when you've given that a good read, try using the article wizard to create your page. What are you going to write about? samtar ^{t} 08:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on List of PlayStation games

Reference help requested. Well, I was editing List of PlayStation games in Wikipedia because I wanted to fix the tables a bit, however, ReferenceBot told me that one of the links is broken. As I'm checking which link is broken, I found out that the broken link in question was containing somewhat profane words (which happens to be the name of one of the video games there), it was automatically censored when I was editing with the censorship filter on (maybe I shouldn't keep the filter on when in the middle of editing next time). This gives me a dilemma. I wanted to keep the knowledge alive, but I don't want to write the profanity words because I'm not fond of that word, so, what should I do? Thanks, WindVee (talk) 13:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

There is a space character in the |url= value. Remove that and the error goes away and the link works. It appears that all you actually need of the url is:

|url=http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/196708-

Wikipedia is not censored. It does not matter that some might consider the game's name to be 'profane'. The game's name is the game's name and we don't hide it behind !@#$%^&*! non-sense strings.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Indeed. See WP:NOTCENSORED. You might be offended by a word but that doesn't mean that others are. Dismas|^(talk) 14:30, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but I have no idea that the add-on on my browser's part doing the censorship on the edit box as well and replacing it with !@#$%^&*! strings as I'm editing it, even though it was not my main purpose when editing at that moment, and I don't think I want to write that word because, sadly, it's forbidden for me to do so :( WindVee (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear Jim

IM CHRIS CORNELL AND TRYING TO LOCATE MY FAMILY. MY GREAT GRANDMA WAS MOMAC AND HER SON BILL MCFARLAND.PLEASE GET BACK TO ME AND THANK YOU. CHRIS CORNELL. P.S. MY STOLEN ANGELS ON UTUBE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Former Mcfarland (talk • contribs) 14:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 15:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm tagging the OP since they likely don't know how to get back here given that they didn't know where they were in the first place... User:Former Mcfarland. Dismas|^(talk) 15:09, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Billesdon

Reference help requested.

Hi, I'm new and ran out of time yesterday. I am going to try to sort this out later today

Thanks, PBrist (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi PBrist. The first time you use a citation, give it a name <ref name="Intuitive Name">Citation text</ref>. The next time you want to use that citation, use just the first part with a forward closing slash at the end before the ">" (a space also is conventional, though not required). Thus: <ref name="Intuitive Name" /> See Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once). Do not use one cite for each sentence. In general, if the content of a single paragraph is all verified by one reference, and there's no other cites to be placed in between, just place the one citation to the source at the end of the paragraph. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

moved from section with duplicate name lower down to keep issues together. DES ^(talk) 17:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC) Hi there, I'm new and had some problems with referencing yesterday, but had to leave it as I ran out of time. Page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billesdon I responded to this in 'talk' to say I would be back to it today, and now I've read the guidance again I went in to fix the errors and find someone has already done it. Thanks for that, whoever it was. That person has also removed many of the references so there is just one per para. I agree there were too many, and was going to remove some today after a final read through when I had sorted out formatting, but would like to know if one ref per para is 'house style'? For example, one of the church paragraphs is quite long, and now the only ref is at the end of the section, if someone else adds a sentence in the middle and references that, then people will be confused about where the info before that point is from. As I would like to edit more pages, would someone please clarify correct procedure. Thank you. Oops, sorry, just realised someone has answered this - although no new message indicated in Talk. Hopefully I'll get the hang of this soon.

Thanks, PBrist (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC) End content moved from below.

PBrist How often to repeat a citation is a judgement call, there is no one answer that is always correct. A fact that has been challenged, or that is controversial and is likely to be challenged, should have a cite directly after the sentence, or perhaps even the clause, that states the fact. Direct quotes should be cited right after the end of the quote. Where several sentences in a paragraph are all supported by the same source, and no other statement in the paragraph needs a different citation, a single cite at the end of the paragraph will do. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#When and why to cite sources and the later sections of that page for more detail. DES ^(talk) 17:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

need log in help

Hi,

I have not edited in a couple of years. I have some new historical info to impart. However, when I try to log in it says "Fill in one of the fields to receive a temporary password via email. There is no email address recorded for user XXXXXXXX" (my user name..not x's)

however all fields are filled out.

Should I just start a new account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.13.95 (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes: if you didn't save an email address with your account, the system will not be able to send you a temporary password, and you will have to register a new account. There's a bit more detail at Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password?. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Accounts and passwords never expire so if you have an idea what it might have been then you can try more possibilities. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Help with Template:Public health

the user Bazj are wreck the template page Template:Public health.

delete random stuff that he don't like, without proper reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.225.97.247 (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

A few links, two of them redlinks, that is links to pages that do not even exist, and one image (unreadable at the scale involved) were removed by Bazj, and later reinstated by 36.225.97.247. This hardly constitutes "wrecking" the (already very large) navigation template. The proper place to discuss what should and should not be included is at Template talk:Public health. I have reinstated Bazj's removal of the graphics and the redlinks. DES ^(talk) 17:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

The removals were this edit and this edit the reversions are directly after in the template history. DES ^(talk) 17:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

making an edit on a article

Hi, I made a contribution on the bio of Patricia Barry with regard to an episode of the Virginian she appeared on. I really want to remove my contribution how do i do that once it has been saved Tank you for your time and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhyWkik4me (talk • contribs) 17:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

If you wish to remove your contribution because it was incorrect, the easiest way is to go to the page history find your edit, and undo it using the undo link. If the contribution was correct, you can remove yours, but there is no guarantee that someone else won't add it again. Prodego ^talk 17:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

How to add citations

I made an edit on the page for Libraries (in the Research Libraries section) and it was accepted. At the end it says "citation needed". I have the citations but I don't know how to put them in. Thanks. Lakelandcrib 11/22/15Lakelandcrib (talk) 17:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Read though this:Wikipedia:Citing sources. --Aspro (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Lakelandcrib, please read Referencing for Beginners. the short version: insert a <ref>...</ref> pair, and inside pair (after the <ref> and before the </ref> insert the citation details. Personaly i prefer and advise the use of citation templates such as {{cite news}}, {{cite web}}, {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, and many others. They format citations consistently, and also embed machine-readable citation information in the page that various programs can use. However, they are not required. If you want to use them, there is a "Cite" menu in the editing bar above the edit window. Click on this, and then on the "templates" item in the sub-bar that displays just below, and pick the desired template, and a handy fill-in form is displayed. Or you can add them manually, see the directions on each template's documentation page, linked above. Does that help? DES ^(talk) 17:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Aspro, I find that Wikipedia:Citing sources is often a bit much for an editor new to adding citations to Wikipedia, and generally prefer to link to WP:REFB. It contains a simpler set of directions that covers the most common situations. DES ^(talk) 17:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't you think that’s a bit patronizing to a new editor? He may have a computer science degree for all we know (but not necessary familiar with WP protocol) and neither of us know what he wants to cite. If he/she he finds problems understanding my direction (which includes Referencing for Beginners etc.) lets credit him with enough sense to come back here. If you teat children like children, one will end up with children. Relax DESiegel--Aspro (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No actually i don't think that at all, Aspro. I don't know Lakelandcrib's level of general computer knowledge at all, i only know that s/he said "I have the citations but I don't know how to put them in." My experience has been that when an editor new to Wikipedia, or to Wikipedia's citation requirements, is simply thrown at Wikipedia:Citing sources with no further assistance, that editor all too often finds it too hard and gives up in despair. Whereas with a bit of focused basic information, the editor can then go on to the full scope of that page. I don't think it is in any way patronizing to suggest that in starting a new task, most people do better with a basic intro than a fully-detailed user manual, provided that the full details are available when wanted. WP:REFB links to Wikipedia:Citing sources and to several other useful pages and resources. All that said, you can give advice in whatever way you think best, but I urge you to consider pointing editors at WP:REFB in such cases. DES ^(talk) 20:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

With respect, that’s an auto-centric point of view. If you had difficulties understanding citations in the beginning, that does not mean every other new editor will find it unfathomable to the degree that you did. You appear to be presuming that everyone starts at your level and has to be spoon-fed from there up. That's patronizing. The OP had enough sense to post here and knows he can post back for further clarification should s/he need it. Which is why I pointed it out.--Aspro (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, you are making an incorrect assumption, Aspro. (Or perhaps that was sarcasm.) I didn't have much trouble learning how to do citations, and that was in the days before ref tags and cite.php existed, using the much more fragile {{note}} and {{ref}}. I had no problems adapting to the current system. If I judged others by myself, I would never refer anyone to WP:REFB. I am, instead, judging by the many people I have assisted with such issues here at the Help Desk, at the Teahouse (I have about 2000 edits between those two pages), at AfC drafts, and on various user and article talk pages. Many people have said that they have found WP:CITE confusing and too much information to handle at once. Several have also been kind enough to say that my advice was helpful. I also base this on working with and training many people in non-Wikipedia contexts, where I have generally found that most (but not all) people do better when given a comparatively simple summary of a task to start with, and then fuller complexities after they have mastered the basics. I think this is a common human style, along the lines of the common maxim "you must walk before you can run". Since I think this a common style of human learning, attributing it to a particular person is not in the least patronizing -- it merely assumes that the person shares the common human experience. All that said, there is no one-true-way to edit Wikipedia nor to advise and help them. I merely suggested that you consider pointing inquirers who ask about the basics of citing sources here (not about the nuances or more complex cases) to the basic set of instructions. I note that a number of other regular helpers here and at the Teahouse point people to REFB routinely, as does at least one version of the welcome template. So some editors other than me have found it of value. DES ^(talk) 23:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Using a 'Ref Name' group, without losing page numbers?

Hi, is there a way to group references from the same source, without losing page number information? Thanks. cӨde1+6 ^LogicBomb! 18:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Code16: See WP:IBID for common methods to handle it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. cӨde1+6 ^LogicBomb! 18:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

November 23

How Bizarre by Pauly Fuemana

The proud Filipino guy named is misspelled Gil .. and full name is Virgilio Manaois .. which is me .. the site is How Bizarre (song) ....I hope you will correct it for me. thanks... or email me if you want to verify — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.38.174 (talk) 06:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The cited source says "Hill". Wikipedia bases content on published reliable sources. Do you have a published reliable source for "Gill"? —teb728 t c 06:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Article for deletion

Hello. I published this neutral article but it is under deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neri I. Karra. Please help us resolve dispute by voting fairly on the text and notability after reading my article. --Scoopie-213 (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Birth year

Kindly note, I am K S Sanjay and officially Tanvi Azmi's Manager. We would like to report that the birth year of Ms Tanvi Azmi is wrongly reported on your page. The correct year is 1963. Also kindly add the names of her children as Meghna (girl) and Viraaj (boy) .

We would be obliged if the changes are made officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.147.41 (talk) 06:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia bases content on published reliable sources. Do you have a published reliable source for the proposed change? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

As manager, you have a Wikipedia:conflict of interest, so you did the right thing by asking here. Are you sure that you have the correct year of birth? 1963 seems unlikely to me. The children were adopted were they not? Dbfirs 09:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I removed the existing birth date on Tanvi Azmi as it was sourced not to a reliable source, but to a media wing of a PR firm. Further discussions and sourcing is probably better conducted at Talk:Tanvi Azmi. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion

Recently I participated in a merger discussion where the result was against the merger. Is it necessary that someone other than me remove the merge tags from both pages or I am permitted to do this. --Skr15081997 (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes you can remove the tags. That falls under housekeeping. No need to cite WP:IAR. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 12:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. If a merge discussion has been closed without consensus to merge, any editor may remove the merge tags. Often the closer will do so as part of the process of closing the discussion, but if not, anyone else may. But do be sure that the discussion has in fact been closed. DES ^(talk) 12:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Grammatically error in page Pathani Samanta

this page has an grammatical mistake kindly correct it. Pathani Samanta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajib Lochan Nayak (talk • contribs) 12:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Rajib Lochan Nayak, Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). DES ^(talk) 12:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I have removed several errors from the article, I don't know if these include the one you refer to. The article still needs work, for instance "measured the distance from earth". The distance of what from the earth? Maproom (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Notifying users of mass MFD nomination

Can someone help out with this, please? 103.6.159.85 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Armend Thaqi article

I would use some help about this article. This player plays in Kosova superleage and I put a lot of resources and external links and still someone wants to delete it. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armend_Thaqi — Preceding unsigned comment added by KastriotThaqi (talk • contribs) 16:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

KastriotThaqi, is the "Kosova superleage" a fully professional league? If so, can you point to a published reliable source that says so? DES ^(talk) 16:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Image viewing and back-clicking

I've noticed some odd behavior with Wikipedia that I never see on other websites. It has to do with looking at images.

• If I am in a Wiki page I click on an image on the right to make it popup. I then click ESC to close the popup.
• Then if I click the 'back' button on the left side of my mouse it returns me to the popup image instead of a previous webpage.

May not sound like much but if I have been though several wiki pages looking at images and want to go back...I have to click many times to get back to the original page, cumbersome. I see this behavior in both IE and Firefox.

AN EXAMPLE: Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog and click on the dog photo on the right. Click ESC to close the popup, then click the back button on the left of the mouse. Any idea why this occurs? 130.132.15.95 (talk) 18:51, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

On many browsers, right-click on the back button at the top of the page will give a choice of which page to go back to, hence avoiding the need for multiple clicks. I'm not sure, however, how you're getting a popup; if I click on a photo I move on to the file page and don't get a popup. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I Figured it out. Wiki uses a "Media Viewer" plugin to show jpgs in full screen mode. If you disable Media Viewer in Firefox this behavior goes away.

So has Media Viewer been made the default for new users? If it has, I offer my apologies, on behalf of those responsible. Anyway, congratulations on figuring out how to disable it! Maproom (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Page numbers in references

An edit has recently been made to a page on my watchlist changing the style of page number references. Where previously they read (for example) "pp. 172-181" they have now been changed to "pp. 172-81". I seem to recall doing something similar years ago and being dragged over the coals for it for breaching approved practices but now I've searched in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes and can't see any mention of it. So is there indeed a policy proscribing or even discouraging this? If not did there used to be one or was I called out unjustly? Essentially I want something to put in the edit summary if I make this fairly technical edit whereas if I don't have to I'll happily not bother. Keresaspa (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)