Template talk:Religion topics

Deletion of links

Several links have been deleted from this important template without any discussion whatsover. I asked the editor responsible for this to explain their actions on the talk page but they refused. Instead they have resorted to edit warring to force their POV on this template in violation of our policies. I ask uninvolved editors for help in repairing the damage inflicted on this important template and to address the edit warring by the other editor.. – Lionel ^(talk) 21:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Denominations

What is the criteria for a denomination to be shown on this template? It it for example ok for me to add Ibadi and Ahmadiyya to the template? Pass a Method talk 17:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

This is a not unreasonable question. I would think that there is also a broader question as to what level of significance and notability is required for any topic to be inculded in this template. There are, for instance, several major and significant branches of Hinduism which are not currently included, like the Ganapatya, which are not yet included. Certainly, it would be impossible to include every denomination or major grouping of every major religious system in history. The length of the existing, rather incomplete List of Christian denominations indicates why. Opinions? John Carter (talk) 17:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The current template is imbalanced. For example eight Jewish denominations are shown, but some religions have none. The reason i deleted the denominations is to avoid such an imbalance. Pass a Method talk 18:20, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

That's nice. I'm wondering, did it ever occur to you that, maybe, you might discuss that before you decided that a personal opinion regarding "balance" was so overwhelmingly important and unquestionably valid that you felt free to unilaterally, without discussion, change the material to suit your own personal opinions? That is, in general, the way things are supposed to be done here. I notice that the "edit warring" seems to have continued lately. It is on that basis that I am filing a request for comment on which groups, and how many within each broad field, should be included below. John Carter (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

RfC on articles to be included in this template

How many and which articles should be included in this template? John Carter (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Threaded discussion

There has recently been a good deal of activity of individual editors on this template, regarding what should and should not be included. That being the case, I think it would be in everyone's interests if we could establish through discussion at least for the interim which specific articles deserve to be included in the template, or, if that is unworkable, what sort of general guidelines we should use to establish which articles should be included. John Carter (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

A few personal ideas.

1) I imagine each of the following major topics from the synoptic outline of the Lindsay Jones Encyclopedia of Religion, listed at User:John Carter/Religion articles deserves inclusion, possibly as a major subheading:

Afro-American religion; Religion in Africa; Religion in Central Asia; Religions of the Ancient Near East; Arctic religions (yes, I know it's a redlink); Religious art; Australian Indigenous religions (also a redlink); Baltic religion (a redirect); Buddhism; Religion in the Caribbean; Celtic religion; Chinese religion (currently a dab); Christianity; Egyptian religion (a dab); Greek religion (a dab); Hellenistic religion; Hinduism; Indian religions; Indo-European religions (historically); Iranian religions; Islam; Israelite religion (of the Hebrew Bible period); Judaism; Jainism; Religion in Japan; Religion in Korea; Religions of Mesoamerica; Study of religion; New religious movements; North American Indian religions; Religions of Oceania; Philosophy and religion; Prehistoric religion; Religious phenomena (as per the encyclopedia on my user page); Religious scholars; Roman religion; Science and religion; Sikhism; Slavic religion; Society and religion; South American Indian religion; Religion in Southeast Asia; Tibetan religions; Zoroastrianism; and Uralic religions;

2) Beyond that, certainly any individual groups which meet certain fairly clearly defined criteria, if we could come up with some, should be included as well. Here I'm thinking of, for instance, criteria based on things like percentage of world population at the religion's peak, length of history, historical impact, what have you. For topics not related to specific religions, like religious art, that I honestly don't have a real idea for, and would welcome any input. John Carter (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

The existing template is already pretty well organized, so obviously we should use it as a "template" for any improvements such as considering any of those articles. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it does perhaps place a little too much emphasis on "current" religions, rather than religion in general, which would include a few more basically inactive ones. But, otherwise, it is fairly solid. I do think that Religious art and some related articles, like maybe Temple (architecture), maybe Altar, and a few others could be a separate line in the template. And there are quite a few African religions, so the one existing link to one of them might be seen as being unrepresentative. Maybe.

The major focus of recent dispute has been which of the "subgroupings" within major religious traditions to include. That would also, presumably, include the section on NRMs as well, as many NRMs are Christian or Dharmic as well. So, can anyone think of any ideas which groups of the Christian and Dharmic traditions they think should be included in the template, or, alternatively, what sort of qualifications we might use to determine which groups should be included? John Carter (talk) 00:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps a criteria list would help. What makes a sub-group eligible for inclusion? Wikipedia serves people looking for information. The more people are interested in a sub-group the more Wikipedia should weight it. That is hard to measure. Consider:

Critieria for inclusion (tentative)

1. Membership Statistics
2. Percentage of the overall population of a country, continent, etc.
3. Prevalence of attention given by scholarship, reputable authors, media, etc.
4. (Feel free to add/remove, or start a section for Criteria for inclusion)

in response to the RfC, DonaldRichardSands (talk) 10:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Major outline: John Carter's wondering about major topics from the Jones encyclopedia moves our thinking in a useful direction. How do other encyclopedia's outline this topic? The redlinks in Jones' list highlight the possible improvements to this WP template.

I am okay with the existing template's general outline (as supported by Til Eulenspiegel above).

in response to the RfC, DonaldRichardSands (talk) 10:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Moralism (religion)

Just added the religion of moralism to the list. I'm guessing that the best spot for it would be under "Recent" religions, but if there's a better category feel free to move it. JBogdan (talk) 01:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed a modification as follows * Druze IS MUCH CLOSER TO ISLAM THAN * Yârsânism and introduced the other Shias

INTRODUCE:

• Islam
  • Shia
    • Ghulat
      • Kaysanites
      • Alawites
      • Druze
      • Hurufiyya
    • Batiniyya
      • Seveners
        • Qarmatians
      • Ismāʿīlī
        • Nizārī Ismā'īlī
        • Mustali
    • Ithna 'ashariyah
      • Alevi
      • Ja'fari
    • Zaidiyyah

as well.

Missing Ancient Christian Churches

The Church of the East & Oriental Orthodoxy should be included in the Christian section. They are far more historically significant than other groups which are already included. Could someone please add them? 116.52.95.192 (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Good point - Done Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 21:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

"Recent" section

Current list under "Recent":

• Cheondoism
• Discordianism
• Druidry
• Eckankar
• I-Kuan Tao
• Moralism
• Neopaganism
• New Age
• New Thought
• Raëlism
• Scientology
• Seicho-no-Ie
• Stregheria
• Tenrikyo
• Thelema
• Unitarian Universalism
• Wicca

Seeing as Discordianism, "Druidry" (Neo-druidism), Stregheria and Wicca on WP are all categorized as Neopaganism, is it not undue weight to include all of these subsets and not other forms of Neopaganism? I am not proposing we add more, but rather that we cut all the subsets, as the Neopaganism article covers all of them. I would maybe leave Wicca, as some hear of that without knowing about Neopaganism. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 21:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

arabian

Arabian mythology on Ancient religions>Near East179.236.147.129 (talk) 04:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Jehovah Witness'

Jehovah Witness' should be on the list somewhere, but should they go under as another subgroup of Christianity, or new religions? Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 03:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

tengriism and shamanism

Where are they?? 68.100.162.64 (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 3 December 2013

I would like to fix some of the mistakes in this template. For example, Hinduism is included in the Indian Religions section but not in the Ancient Religions or Indo-European Religions section while Zoroastrianism is included in both. Mālik Tākat (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

NB: the requestor is a sock of the prolific Buddhakahika. Beware of future requests of a similar nature. - Sitush (talk) 01:18, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 5 December 2013

This template has a number of mistakes. For example, Armenia is in Europe, not Asia! 136.159.160.71 (talk) 21:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Armenia is a borderline case, but as footnote 9 of that article shows, several sources place it in Asia. --Stfg (talk) 23:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Shinshukyo, Hoa Hao

Why Tenrikyo (and other new japan religions) and Hoa Hao have been deleted from the template? Even article "major religious groups" enlist them as the medium-sized religions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.207.116.24 (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request, 21 June 2014

1. The theological term Catholicism should be replaced by Roman Catholicism. Why is there not a direct link for the world largest denomination?
2. A link for Alevism. Could somebody, please? --113.184.75.255 (talk) 10:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2015 Yazidism & Ali-Illahism are missing: They might be added as follows:

• Yazdânism
  • Ishikism
  • Yazidism
  • Ali-Illahism
  • Yarsanism

68.100.166.227 (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting an answer: Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2015

68.100.166.227 (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

• I have examined the subject of Yazdânism again. There are FOUR major sub-divisions in the TEMPLATE for Yazdânism. See Template:Yazdânism. These FOUR major sub-divisions are Yazidism, Ishikism, Ali-Illahism and Yarsanism.
• This templates just lists Ishikism and Yarsanism under Yazdânism. In the following format;
• Yazdânism (Ishikism . Yarsanism).
• Yazidism, and Ali-Illahism are MISSING. Thus, it might be modified as follows:
• Yazdânism ( Ishikism . Yazidism . Ali-Illahism . Yarsanism).

68.100.166.227 (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Explanations in detail

THE Followig item:

• Yazdânism ( Ishikism . Yarsanism).

SHOULD BE:

• Yazdânism ( Ishikism . Yazidism . Ali-Illahism . Yarsanism).

68.100.166.227 (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Already done with this edit. --ElHef (Meep?) 13:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting an answer: Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2015

68.100.166.227 (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

In addition, correction for Druzes needed

• They call themselves as Al-Muwaḥḥidūn/Muwahhideen, you know. This means that they claim to be Muslim.
• On the contrary, Bahá'í Faith & Bábism DO NOT claim to be Muslim.
• This fact accentuates that Druzes ARE NOT Non-Muslims.

Could you clarify this fact on your template.

68.100.166.227 (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Jihadism is not a religious sect.. Then it might be asked: What about movements like Barelvi, Deobandi, Salafi, Mahdavia, Nation of Islam? 68.100.166.227 (talk) 21:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Khawarij should be included somewhere as well.

68.100.166.227 (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC) 68.100.166.227 (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --ElHef (Meep?) 13:10, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Baha'i Faith

I see The Baha'i Faith is divided from Babism like Azali to 3 reasons

1. The Founder of The Baha'i Faith and his Brother (Founder of Azali) was a followers of the Bab

1. There was a Great controversy after the death of the Bab (Founder of Babism) between the tow Brothers (Founder of Azali and Founder of Baha'i Faith) about Who is the true Manifestations of God?

1. After all this controversy Subh-i-Azal founded Azali religion and Baha'ullah founded The Baha'i Faith.

--Islam90 (talk) 12:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

yazidism

should be listed under yazdanism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.166.227 (talk) 23:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

This is not a template for fractional movements

Jihadism is not a sect! Why is it listed here? If it is a movement and if you are listing here just for reason, there are many other movements which are not listed in this template. If you are NOT listing all the other fractions this should be deleted! 68.100.166.227 (talk) 08:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC) 68.100.166.227 (talk) 08:25, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

It is impossible to understand why this title is not written anywhere in the template, i.e. yazidism, while you are persistently keeping Jihadism as if it is a sect or madhhab.

You even cannot comment on this matter to substantiate your assertions.

68.100.166.227 (talk) 08:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Ẓāhirī is missing; according to their population including Ẓāhirī the list should be modified as

   | group3 = Islam
   | list3 =

• Sunni
  • Hanafi
  • Shafi'i
  • Maliki
  • Hanbali
  • Ẓāhirī
• Shia
  • Twelver
  • Isma'ilism
  • Zaidiyyah
• Ahmadi
• Ibadi
• Nondenominational
• Quranist
• Sufi

68.100.166.227 (talk) 08:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Consistency with the Amman Message, Template:Sunni Islam and Template:Islam.

In order to be consistent with the Amman Message:

1. Zahiri should be included into Sunnis as the fifth muslim sect in order to be consistent with Template:Sunni Islam.
2. In addition, the names of Moorish science and Nation of Islam should be added to this template here in order to be consistent with the denominations in the Template:Islam.

68.100.166.227 (talk) 08:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

African American Muslims (Moorish science • Nation of Islam)

should be included in order to be consistent with the article on Muslim Sects.

68.100.166.227 (talk) 03:12, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2015

"ITALIAN" LINKS TO ITALO-ROMAN!!! FAR FROM CORRECT!!! (See Major>Indo-European>European) VirgoRetti (talk) 06:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

• Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, please do not type in all caps. It is considered shouting and is virtually never appropriate. Thanks. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Please Change "Italian" to "Italo-Roman".

Done clpo13_(talk) 23:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2015

Please add 'Satanism' to the list of recent religious movements. This broad subject includes both theistic and aetheistic Satanism, as there is an essential division in modern satanism. (see related articles for more valid information) template heading section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements 75.46.69.122 (talk) 02:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Done — xaosflux ^Talk 16:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Retitle or remove denominations

I propose either retitling this template "religion and denominations" or removing all the denominations. The words "religion" and "denomination" are not synonymous, and we shouldn't treat them as if they are; its confusing. 92.9.153.62 (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2016

Can you add Lingayitism into other Indian religion category

117.216.145.51 (talk) 16:16, 26 June 2016 (UTC)