Template talk:WikiProject Canada

Edit request on 4 December 2012

Please add the WikiProject Okanagan to the list of related WikiProject's for this. I've already inserted it in the template sandbox, please feel free to made some needed changes. Thank you.

TBrandley 04:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Done I fixed a couple of the task force hook parameters that were wrong in the sandbox. Let me know if anything's not working as you'd expect. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 12:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The template is broken, it's categorizing talk pages into a content category (Category:Okanagan) it should be using Category:WikiProject Okanagan -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 06:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree that Category:Okanagan is wrong, but not sure that Category:WikiProject Okanagan is right; perhaps either Category:Okanagan articles or Category:WikiProject Okanagan articles would be better. For comparison, see Category:Kawartha Lakes articles Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles and Category:WikiProject Canadian music articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Okanagan articles makes sense. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 01:06, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Already done This has already been fixed by TheCatalyst31 - the articles are slowly being shifted over to Category:Okanagan articles. If you would like this to be changed to Category:WikiProject Okanagan articles, just reactivate the edit protected template and ask. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 08:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 December 2012

Hi everyone. Sorry to bother again, but can someone please remove WikiProject Okanagan altogether from the sister projects. A seperate project banner has been created for WikiProject Okanagan, and it is no longer needed here. Thanks and happy holidays! TBrandley 17:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

TBrandley 17:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I've lost track, but isn't it the long-standing consensus that regional projects use the Wikiproject Canada template, so as to avoid a multiplicity of project banners on Canada-related talk pages? Didn't some people spend years consolidating all this? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: This change may be controversial, per Skeezix1000. I wouldn't feel comfortable implementing this unless there was a broader consensus. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 22:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I do think its best to have just one template - but that said this project does cover more then just Canadian topics as it also will have topics from Washington aswell. If the project and its members believe that a separate template is warranted then they should and are allowed to proceed as they wish - and lets face it the have already implemented there template all over.Moxy (talk) 22:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

In this case since the topic would cover both Canadian and American topics I would leave it separate. -DJSasso (talk) 13:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

There's been no such consensus, it's just the drive of WPCANADA to include all such projects on its banner, regardless of what those projects think. (though curiously, not CanRoads or CanStreets or CFL) -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 03:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

It is fine under the new template. I've spent hours tagging new articles, there are over 200! Also, just take a look at WikiProject Vancouver and WP:WikiProject Canadian Sport. This is the biggest reason: this WikiProject covers both British Columbia and Washington, so when this is tagged under those Okanogan County, Washington articles, how can Canada be related to the subject: it can't. There is actual reasoning, unlike the Vancouver and Canadian sport projects. So, I'll try again with another edit request here now. This is a real problem for the Okanagan/Okanogan project and I happen to concur with Moxy (talk · contribs). TBrandley 04:01, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry, but there really needs to be a wider discussion before this can be implemented. Although I can see that Okanagan topics in Washington wouldn't usually be under WikiProject Canada's remit, it still may be useful for WP Canada to tag those Okanagan articles that do fall under their remit. Having the WP Canada template on the articles would be useful for the bots that generate article alerts and the lists of featured content, for example. And it isn't necessarily bad for there to be some redundancy between WP Canada's template and WP Okanagan's template. So whether we should have WP Okanagan on WP Canada's template or not should be a matter for WP Canada to decide - let's start a discussion and see what everyone says. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 08:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

What gives Canada a right over the United States? It is related to both, so why would we choose WikiProject Canada over WikiProject United States, who does the same sort of thing Canada does. It needs to be changed. Where are you going make a discussion to WikiProject Canada? And what is the reasoning for WikiProject Vancouver having a seperate template, as I stated above. TBrandley 17:24, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Although Vancouver is on the template, the project uses {{WikiProject Vancouver}} template instead. TBrandley 17:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Vancouver is only included on the WPCANADA template because WPCANADA unilaterally and imperialistically added it to the banner without consulting WPVANCOUVER. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 04:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

It would be best to have the exposer of the much bigger Canada project - but as I said before you can do what you wish - Pls be aware that people are still merging templates only 900 article left that use {{WikiProject Vancouver}} - For more info pls see Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada/Assessment#Use of WikiProject Canada banner.Moxy (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

There has never been a consultation with WPVANCOUVER resulting in such a determination, it is an imperialistic and antagonistic replacement of the WPVANCOUVER banner by WPCANADA. Such actions are prejudicial to the good conduct of the WPVANCOUVER project, and all the imperialistically added city projects This old version shows the previous status, with NO REPLACEMENT indicated. The replacement drive is pure imperialism. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 04:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

It is actually to the benefit of the Vancouver Project to have more eyes on those articles. It also helps keep the mess of multiple overlapping tags on one page. The template is setup so that the Vancouver Project gets its own importance and categorization etc. Not to mention most Vancouver project editors are also part of the Canada project so would have been part of the discussions. So I am not sure where the problem is?-DJSasso (talk) 13:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Without a notice of discussions at WPVANCOUVER, then it is clearly done in a manner that is not clear to those members of WPVancouver who are not involved with WPCANADA, so clearly done without consultation. Discussions of the changes without informing the project involved is bad practice, and assuming that there is no need for such notices is imperialistic. Whatever the benefits of a merged banner, it should involve a notice to the project involved. As for the benefit of such a situation, most articles should contain multiple project banners already, such as WPBIO, WPCOMPANIES, so already have more eyes on them than just WPVANCOUVER. The use of the WPCANADA banner reduces the likelihood of people joining WPVANCOUVER or participating in its discussions, as it disappears underneath WPCANADA for even its high and top importance articles in a total replacement situation. This will inevitably lead to fewer editors being involved and strangling participation in the project. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

We have talked about it in the past many times. Moxy (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I see any reason why the separate WP Okanagan tag would be used on Canada-related articles. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed it since the person requesting to remove it was the same person who requested to add it only week or so earlier and it appears there was no consensus to add it in the first place. Comments above seem to indicate that people don't feel it is appropriate since it would contain non-WPCanada scope pages. In cases where both projects cover a page then just use both banners. If people feel it should be on there feel free to take it to WPCanada and have a wider discussion. -DJSasso (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. TBrandley 18:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

That's highly inappropriate, Djsasso. People didn't object to the original addition because it seemed appropriate, and no one questioned it in the interim until this request came along three weeks later. Removing it raises completely different issues, and it's unclear how it is relevant that it is the same person making the requests (since the two requests have completely different results, one of which one could agree with, the other one could disagree with). If we're talking about consensus, there was never a consensus for a separate WPOKANAGAN tag on Canada-related articles either. The discussion is here and ongoing - stepping into the middle of it before it is resolved and implementing the disputed change with the comment "feel free to take it to WPCanada" (there is already a link here at WP:CANTALK) is really questionable. Please undo your action and let the discussion unfold. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

First off, it is WPOKANAGAN's choice if they wish to be on this tag. That has been held up in the past at many discussions where one project has tried to force another project onto its tag. So to add this tag here you would indeed need that project's consensus merge them to this tag. Clearly that doesn't currently exist based on the comments I have seen. Secondly per the wiki's guidelines on WikiProjects one WikiProject can't over rule another WikiProject so they are free to tag all the same articles that WPCanada tags even if you do end up adding them to your tag. Anyone is allowed to create any WikiProject if it has sufficient scope and tag articles as it sees fit so there is no consensus among WPCanada editors needed to tag Canada-related articles with a different wikiproject. You are right however, that it was linked on the WPCanada talk, I did miss that since it was a small post. That being said only one person, you, has actually objected to it being removed so it doesn't seem all that controversial to me, it was an editor reversing them-self. Should consensus shift from what currently looks like the obvious I am more than willing to undo myself. But its a pretty straight forward action based on existing guidelines. -DJSasso (talk) 23:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The city wikiprojects never agreed to being added to this template prior to the addition. No consensus to allow it to happen was reached after the fact either. Per the usual consensus discussions, it should have reverted to the status prior to it happening, since it wasn't approved. -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 07:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Nice. First, most of that is directly opposite what you said above about WPVancouver. Second, since when do admins close discussions early, after notice has been posted on the main page, because of the two people that have responded directly to the request by TB, only one is opposed? Seriously. Skeezix1000 (talk) 01:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I do not really see how the above is the direct opposite, WikiProject Vancouver does still maintain their seperate templates, although they are seemingly being merged with WikiProject Canada's banner now. Nobody has marked their comment as an oppose vote. In addition, I agree with Djsasso (talk · contribs), specifically that the reasoning that one project has tried to force another project onto its tag. TBrandley 02:10, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

No what I have said is that it is useful that WPVancouver be on the same template as WPCanada since articles are always going to be of interest to each other and there is no use having both tags on every article. And in the case of WPVancouver I do believe there were discussions that they be on the same template which involved the members of that project. In the case of WPOkanagan some of the articles won't be part of WPCanada's scope because they refer to the part of the Okanagan that is in the USA. So the situations are completely different. -DJSasso (talk) 12:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

There was no agreement reached to allow it at WPVANCOUVER. The discussion happened after WPCANADA went and did it (and incorrectly to boot, since it tried to force WPCANADA's importance scale on WPVANCOUVER) the only change was that WPCANADA agreed to allow use of WPVANCOUVER's importance ratings, and that WPVANCOUVER's banner would not be replaced or recommended to be replaced (though that agreement seems to have been violated (see here). WPVANCOUVER still never reached an agreement to allow WPCANADA to banner it. -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 07:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

For editors unfamiliar with the history of this banner, the incorrect edit to the Canada banner that forced WPCanada's importance on WPVancouver was done by me two and a half years ago and lasted for about a month before it was fixed. I regret the oversight. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 02:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with DJSasso. For Vancouver, all articles in WPVancouver are of interest to WPCanada, so the city project can use the country banner, assuming that the banner allows a separate importance ratings for WPVancouver and any other features that WPVancouver wants. If WPOkanagan has articles that are not in the scope of WPCanada, then allowing them to be tagged by WPCanada is problematic. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 23:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't the issue. The issue was whether articles within the scope of WPCanada should have a separate banner. Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay in responding, as I was away without internet access for most of the holidays. This discussion seems to have verged into debates over using the WPCANADA banner on non-Cdn articles (not the issue) and whether WPVANCOUVER was annexed against its will. Given that I am more concerned with DJSasso's completely inappropriate actions (before there was any consensus) than with my original concern (the desire to avoid two banners for Canada-related articles), I should just give up on this. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Feature brainstorm for Module:WikiProjectBanner

I'm in the early stages of developing a Lua-based replacement for {{WPBannerMeta}}, and I would appreciate peoples ideas for features. If there is anything that you have wanted to do with your WikiProject template, but haven't been able to due to limitations in the meta-template, I would be very interested to hear it. The discussion is over at Template talk:WPBannerMeta. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Avoid a redirect in template

Can someone please edit this template to reflect the move of Wikipedia:WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods to Wikipedia:WikiProject Saskatchewan communities and neighbourhoods? Thanks, Hwy43 (talk) 02:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Done, the categories have been nominated for speedy moving as well. 117Avenue (talk) 07:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for going to that next step. Once the servers refresh to reflect the change in the template, I'll return to the redirect's "What links here" to avoid the balance of redirects. May not be until Sunday though as I'll be up north for a couple days. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:53, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

117Avenue, abandoned my travel plans. Still ~2,000 links to the old name. Should this number go down significantly once the speedy cat renamings are executed? Also, looks like Category:Stub-Class Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods-related articles missed receiving a speedy tag. Hwy43 (talk) 01:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

This template has two functions, it puts the box on talk pages, and categorizes those talk pages. The text in the box contains the link to the WikiProject that you are concerned about, in my experience, it has taken up to a week for all of those links to change, as a result of the change in the template. The categorization of pages takes time too, but doesn't affect the links to the old WikiProject name. 117Avenue (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Help:Job queue. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The categories will need discussion, it is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 6#WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods. 117Avenue (talk) 00:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Importance by subproject/taskforce

I noticed {{WikiProject Caribbean}} had some importance parameters for each separate project under its scope (e.g. "|tf 2 importance={{{Bahamas-importance|}}}"). I was wondering if we couldn't perhaps have the same, as in qc-importance, canlaw-importance, and so on. It would be useful since, for example, Transport Canada is high-importance for cangov but mid or low for the rest of the project. - SweetNightmares 00:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I support such an addition, though I wouldn't know how to do the code; ever since WP:BC WP:Vancouver and the like were merged into the WP:CANADA template, what is 'low' or 'mid' for Canada is often 'high' or 'top' re the city and province projects (though city switches aren't in the Canada template; maybe for major ones they could/should be?; I'm not sure if WP:Okanagan exists, but Kelowna, Penticton, Vernon and Lake Okanagan and the Okanogan River would be decidedly 'top' importance (the river isn't top importance in BC, but that is or was a bi-national project and it's top importance on the Washington side).Skookum1 (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It can certainly be done, and the technique would be very similar to the existing parameters |montreal-importance= |ottawa-importance= |toronto-importance= |vancouver-importance= These allow the importance for those cities to be set independently of the main |importance= Might I suggest that to begin with, only the thirteen provinces and territories be provided with independent importance assessment? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Why only the provinces and territories? Like I said, the Transport Canada article should be listed "high" for cangov, but low for the rest of WP:CA. For another example, the Manicougan Reservoir would probably use "geography-importance=high" whereas WP:CA would default to low. These projects are more active (and better organized) than most provincial WikiProjects. - SweetNightmares 14:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Change photo requests to image requests

As part of a nearly-completed shift to distinguish requests for photos from requests for images in general, it is requested that this template be modified to place talk pages in "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories, rather than the old "Wikipedia requested photographs of..." categories. As such, please supplement all references to "photo(s) of..." and "photograph(s) of..." with "image(s) of..." in both the template and its documentation, while maintaining backwards compatibility for the old "photo" parameters. In particular, change "photograph or picture" to simply "image". Note that the "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories have already been created. Thank you! — s w p b ^T 15:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Mock-up in sandbox. — s w p b ^T 14:29, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: per moratorium proposed at Category_talk:Wikipedia_requested_images_by_subject#Way_forward. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 00:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 May 2016

Can someone change the text output by the 'tvshow' param to say Canadian television, instead of Canadian TV shows project? This would make it match the sub-project's title. Alternatively, a new param could be created. Alaney2k (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I think I have the change set up properly in the sandbox. Alaney2k (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Y Partly done. If you change the assessment category it will be necessary to rename 26 subcategories of Category:WikiProject Canadian TV shows articles and update the topic parameter of templates on each page. I'm not sure if you want that much work, so I've left that part for now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Somebody all-wiki-powerful could probably do it easily. I'll look into it. Thanks for now. Looks much better. Alaney2k (talk) 19:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)