Template talk:Pedophilia

Removed entries

Although I believe the template cannot be kept stable and away from WP:BLP violations, I've removed a number of entries which are not associated with pedophilia in any credible way. Some of the scandals had evidence of child sexual abuse or accusations of pedophilia, but none of the accusations were credible. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hebephilia and ephebophilia should also be removed or categorized under a different name, as made clear in the deletion debate. Flyer22 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Articles listing the template

It would be best to ensure that the articles removed from the template also have the template removed from those articles; I took care of my removals, but.... 05:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Done my part. Oct13 (talk) 05:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Nepiophilia link

The template's link to Nepiophilia has as it's target Pedophilia#Etymology and definitions. Since we don't have more than a definition on this term, I'm wondering if having this linked item is the right thing. __meco (talk) 08:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I was gonna make an article on nepiophilia but it redirects to pedophilia. Oct13 (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Just made an article for Nepiophilia (Infantophilia). Oct13 (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering, what's the name for attraction towards children under three? __meco (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There is no need for a Nepiophilia article. It is a form of pedophilia, and there is not much to state about it on its own. That's why it redirected to the Pedophilia article and should be redirected back there. Further, nepiophilia is a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (meaning ages 0–3). If we're going to say it also refers to "children over the age of three," then where does the age bracket stop? We might as well say nepiophilia covers all of pedophilia. This is why we don't use sources like rightdiagnosis.com to define psychological topics such as this. We use high-quality, scholarly sources, per WP:MEDRS. Flyer22 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Groups

I don't exactly disagree with this, but if a list is to be included (at all) it should be reasonably complete in its coverage of the most notable associations that we have articles on, instead of a haphazard selection. Like I said in an edit summary, a single link to an overview article or perhaps a category link may be better. Tijfo098 (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, calling them "pedophile associations" was a bit of whitewashing, but I suppose whoever added the line in the first place found a more descriptive name too long. Tijfo098 (talk) 12:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Chronophilias vs. paraphilias

James Cantor, if I had seen you make this edit in July, I would have reverted back then; I reverted today (followup note here).

Like I stated in that edit summary, we've discussed this times before at different articles, including at the Hebephilia talk page: I consider the hebephilia age range (generally pubescents 11 to 14 years old) to be an atypical sexual preference, and that hebephiles need counseling regarding that sexual preference. In some countries or jurisdictions, however, age 14 is the age of consent and it's normal in some of those areas to find 14-year-olds sexually attractive (though the adult who takes a sexual interest in a 14-year-old might not be a hebephile, since hebephilia is more accurately about the primary or exclusive sexual attraction to that age group). You and some researchers you work with classify hebephilia as a paraphilia; like the Hebephilia article notes, many other researchers either disagree or are conflicted on the matter of classifying it as such. Therefore, the DSM-5 rejected listing hebephilia as a paraphilia and mental disorder.

And ephebophilia? It has an age range that includes 15 to 19-year-olds (meaning legal adults as well); it is barely considered a paraphilia at all. As you know, I noted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Franklin that you at one point provided me with a source showing that to be the case. So why should we label ephebophilia a paraphilia, when it includes sexual attraction to post-pubescents and when mid-to-late teenagers, especially females, are often physically indistinguishable from early 20-somethings? A paraphilia, while not automatically a mental disorder, means (like the Paraphilia article notes) "intense sexual arousal to atypical objects, situations, or individuals." How is it atypical sexual arousal if a man prefers sexual partners who are, for example, 18 to 19 years old? In the aforementioned edit you made, you stated, "The most common term (by far)." while trading out the word chronophilia for paraphilia. These terms are not automatically synonyms, and there is much stigma attached to the term paraphilia; you know that. While John Money used the term chronophilia to refer paraphilias, many sexologists are more loose with the term; teleiophilia (erotic or sexual interest in adults), for example, is clearly not a paraphilia (well, unless it's a young person with a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to elderly people). Flyer22 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I am indifferent regarding what does/does-not constitute a paraphilia, as there is no objective way to decide (thus far). I made the change because the term "chronophilia" is virtually unheard of outside of Money's own writings. Perhaps the phrase 'associated sexual interests' would serve both purposes.— James Cantor (talk) 00:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't state that "chronophilia is virtually unheard outside of Money's own writings"; a search on Google Books for the term, for example, shows that other researchers use the term. That's why I stated above that "many sexologists are more loose with the term." I perhaps should not have stated "many," however. I am fine with you changing the text to "associated sexual interests." Flyer22 (talk) 00:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

We've also discussed what does/does not constitute a paraphilia, and I see it as quite easy to objectively label some things as a paraphilia (an atypical sexual interest). Pedophilia is one of those things, in my opinion, as I'm sure is not surprising to you. But, yeah, this is not the talk page to go into deep discussion about what does/does not constitute a paraphilia. Flyer22 (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)