Template talk:Paganism

Unhappy with this

Not happy with this. It's a mass of redirects, and some of the names chosen for the articles are not supported by the articles they redirect to, which brings up POV concerns in their naming. It's organized oddly, and some of the groups on here don't fit. I appreciate the effort, but this really is not suitable to go plastering on every article connected to Paganism/Neopaganism or Polytheism.

I'm not sure it can be fixed. Something like this has been tried in the past, but it wound up angering people at the attempt to group together traditions that many did not see as appropriate to group in that manner. Unless this can be completely rethought and seriously improved, I am removing it from the articles, at least for now. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Placing code here for the moment

Pigman^what?/trail 02:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Problems with this template

• The entire "Pagan inspired philosophical systems". Inaccurate, many of these have nothing to do with paganism except the pagan Hellenistic cultures created them. There's nothing implicitly or explicitly "pagan" about most of them. This why they are philosophical systems, not religious systems.
• The many poorly thought out links that only go to redirects. Along with this is the POV renaming of the Wikipedia articles linked to in order to conform to the template creator's POV vision of "correct" names.
• Most of the "Indigenous faiths" links are useless, going to sections of lists. Plus classifying them as pagan isn't really accurate.

There are more problems which is why I put it here but these are for starters. Pigman^what?/trail 03:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

All that effort....

Both I and others put effort into making this. I really think this should be reformed, not simply deleted. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC))

yes, there is potential here. But at the moment, the organisation of topics strikes me as a bit naive. Blanking is not the way to go, but you should avoid widely transcluding the template as long as it is under development or dispute. dab (𒁳) 10:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk page for all templates relating to this topic

Several templates have recently been produced and added to pages within this general area, namely:

• {{Paganism}}
• {{Wicca}}
• {{WiccaandWitchcraft}}
• {{Neo-druidism}}
• {{Neopaganism}}

I'm a bit concerned that this profusion has taken place without much discussion from editors who work on these articles. Some articles could conceivably be tagged with 3 or 4 of these templates: indeed, Wicca already has three. I mean no criticism of the creators of the templates - but I suggest that this should be discussed centrally so that there is a degree of uniformity in articles within the same family. If you would like to join this discussion, please do not reply here, but go instead to the talk page I have set up for this purpose. Many thanks! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 23:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Title - "Paganism and Neopaganism" or just "Paganism"

Hello everybody! I recently changed the title of "Paganism and Neopaganism" to simply "Paganism" because there is another template solely called "Neopaganism". This template does include a part about Neopaganism, but that is because "Neopaganism" is a part of "Paganism", and therefore I think that my edit was the better title, though what is the general concensus? I think that we need to discuss this first :) (Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC))

Since no one has relplied to this in a while, I'm going to go ahead and make the change, but this does need discussing. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC))

I see no problem with renaming the template (and it does undo a confusing overlap)> But I do still have a more fundamental question about whether these different templates are (a) necessary and (b) desirable - but that's for another day. As long as the rename doesn't cause any technical difficulties (not my field of expertise!) go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 23:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

In the end i went for the change to Paganism (Historical Polytheism, Ethnic Religion and Neo-Paganism). This explains clearly the different forms of Paganism and how they are all represented in this general template. I hope everyone see's this as the best option. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC))

apart from the fact that the template is now rather large and unwieldy, I think it is quite fair now. Maybe we can reduce it in size somewhat? For example, avoid linking the full spectrum of neopagan movements? Just the main currents should suffice for the purposes of this template. There is {{Neopaganism}} for increased resolution of this sub-topic. dab (𒁳) 15:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Native American religions and generic folk religion

I don't think that Native American religions (Central or Northern) and Asian traditional religions (Hindu, Chinese, Shinto) are in the right place in this template, since they're not conventionally classified as "Pagan". --Jormunpherreik (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

A majority of world religions, even if they are smaller, are not Abrahamic, so it would be impossible and undesirable to try to include them all. Most Native Americans don't identify as "pagan" (I'm sure individuals do), and traditional indigenous religions aren't self-identified as "pagan." The template should stick to pagan/neo-pagan-related topics. Native American religions should be removed. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Agreed. An IP tried to put Natives in this again. I have removed it. Native ceremonial people see "pagan" or "Pagan" as an insult. There are even members of other traditional cultures who do not want any association with the NeoPagan community. Many Native religions are considered by their adherents to be monotheistic or henotheistic, not polytheistic, so they don't even belong in a polytheism category. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 20:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Merge?

This template partly covers contemporary Paganism, but there is already a {{Paganism topics (contemporary)}}. It seems to me that either the Neopagan movements section should be removed or {{Paganism topics (contemporary)}} should be merged hear.

I support merging because {{Paganism topics (contemporary)}} does not have much unique content and desisting topics in its scope does not make much sense either.
—Sowlos (talk) 13:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion over content

This template includes what are generally considered to be non-pagan religions and has recently been added to a number of non-pagan religions. As this is a quite page, I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. Dougweller (talk) 16:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Neutrality

Paganism, close to the likes of heresy, is a very loaded term and defined from a Christian/Monotheistic POV. Proposal to change. 144.32.60.216 (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)