Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard

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Welcome to the dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN)

This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN. Do you need assistance? Would you like to help? Request dispute resolution If we can't help you, a volunteer will point you in the right direction. Discussions should be civil, calm, concise, neutral, objective and as nice as possible. This noticeboard is for content disputes only. Comment on the contributions, not the contributors. Off-topic or uncivil behavior may garner a warning, improper material may be struck-out, collapsed, or deleted, and a participant could be asked to step back from the discussion. We cannot accept disputes that are already under discussion at other content or conduct dispute resolution forums or in decision-making processes such as Requests for comments, Articles for deletion, or Requested moves. The dispute must have been recently discussed extensively on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to be eligible for help at DRN. The discussion should have been on the article talk page. Discussion on a user talk page is useful but not sufficient, because the article talk page may be watched by other editors who may be able to comment. Discussion normally should have taken at least two days, with more than one post by each editor. Ensure that you deliver a notice to each person you add to the case filing by leaving a notice on their user talk page. DRN has a notice template you can post to their user talk page by using the code shown here: {{subst:drn-notice}}. Be sure to sign and date each notice with four tildes (~~~~). Giving notice on the article talk page in dispute or relying on linking their names here will not suffice. Do not add your own formatting in the conversation. Let the moderators (DRN Volunteers) handle the formatting of the discussion as they may not be ready for the next session. Follow moderator instructions There will be times when the moderator may issue an instruction. It is expected of you to follow their instruction and you can always ask the volunteer on their talk page for clarification, if not already provided. Examples are about civility, don't bite the newcomers, etc. If you need help: If you need a helping hand just ask a volunteer, who will assist you. This is not a court with judges or arbitrators that issue binding decisions: we focus on resolving disputes through consensus, compromise, and advice about policy. For general questions relating to the dispute resolution process, please see our FAQ page. Become a volunteer We are always looking for new volunteers and everyone is welcome. Click the volunteer button above to join us, and read over the volunteer guide to learn how to get started. Being a volunteer on this page is not formal in any respect, and it is not necessary to have any previous dispute resolution experience. However, having a calm and patient demeanor and a good knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines is very important. It's not mandatory to list yourself as a volunteer to help here, anyone is welcome to provide input. Volunteers should remember: Volunteers should gently and politely help the participant fix problems. Suggest alternative venues if needed. Try to be nice and engage the participants. Volunteers do not have any special powers, privileges, or authority in DRN or in Wikipedia, except as noted here. Volunteers who have had past dealings with the article, subject matter, or with the editors involved in a dispute which would bias their response must not act as a volunteer on that dispute. 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Case		Created		Last volunteer edit		Last modified
Title	Status	User	Time	User	Time	User	Time
Vurg	New	RoyalHeritageAlb (t)	2 days, 10 hours	None	n/a	RoyalHeritageAlb (t)	2 days, 9 hours
Daf James	Closed	Caerdyddcymru (t)	2 days, 9 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	1 days, 15 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	1 days, 15 hours
GISAID	New	Tobeortobebetter (t)	1 days, 14 hours	None	n/a	CNMall41 (t)	1 days, 10 hours
Caso Apoquindo	Closed	Frutillente (t)	1 days, 1 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	13 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	13 hours

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Last updated by FireflyBot (talk) at 06:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Current disputes

Vurg

– New discussion.

Filed by RoyalHeritageAlb on 20:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Vurg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• RoyalHeritageAlb (talk · contribs)
• Khirurg (talk · contribs)
• Alexikoua (talk · contribs)
• AlexBachmann (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

One user i adding personal information about an individual deeds and achievments into an article about a region. The other (me) is commenting that only the information about the region should be in the article about the region not personal information about the individual doings. Is a dispute which at the moment 4 different users have commented so after posting it at Wikipedia:Third opinion an admin redirected us here.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Vurg#Lefter Talo, Talk:Vurg#Lefter_Talo

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

We are discussing what belongs and doesnt belong to an article about a region. So since different users claim different opinions we need an experienced and neutral user to show us what belongs to resolve this dispute.

Summary of dispute by Khirurg

Lefter Talo was an ethnic Greek individual born in the Vurg region of Albania who was active in the communist resistance during WW2 and his place of birth is now named after him. Sources describing this have been added in the article. The only reason there even is a dispute is because RoyalHeritageAlbania is extremely bothered by the mention of Talo's Greek ethnicity, and really really doesn't want it in the article. He won't say so openly, but reading between the lines in this talkpage thread [1] and looking at his edit summaries [2], it's pretty clear what he means when he says Informations about Lefter Talo dont belong here. This despite the fact that the sources in the articles mention his ethnicity (e.g. Kofos 1973). Khirurg (talk) 20:38, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by RoyalHeritageAlb

I wanted to bring up a concern regarding the content in this Wikipedia article about the region where this notable person was born. I noticed that some editors have added information about the person's personal information & achievements and deeds to this article. However, I believe that this information should be included in the person's own personal article, rather than in the article about the region. While it is important to acknowledge the person's connection to the region, it is not necessary to include every detail of their personal life in the article. Doing so could detract from the main focus of the article, which is the region itself. Additionally, the personal achievements and deeds of the person are more appropriate for their own personal article, where they can be more thoroughly and accurately discussed. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 20:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Alexikoua

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Summary of dispute by AlexBachmann

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Vurg discussion

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.

Daf James

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Caerdyddcymru on 20:42, 19 April 2023 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Daf James (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Caerdyddcymru & Jamiebuba (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I have contributed an article about the Welsh writer "Daf James", which I have extensively sourced his successful career over the last 10 year. This has been declined within an hour as not a notable person or insignificant sourcing. As such I'm seeking your resolution on whether this should be published. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Send a message to which I received an automated response re resolution. How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Review the article I've submitted an make an independent decision. Daf James has been described as the future of Welsh theatre, so this is clearly a notable person within Welsh culture that deserves a page. Also, this week alone his BBC drama Lost Boys and Fairies has been described in the media as ground breaking. Summary of dispute by Caerdyddcymru & Jamiebuba Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Daf James discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Courtesy link Draft:Daf James this is a declined draft not an article, the draft needs the addition of independent sources and can then probably be accepted there is NO dispute? Theroadislong (talk) 08:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC) Asked and answered at AfC Help Desk, April 20. Creating editor acknowledged advice given there. David notMD (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GISAID

– New discussion.

Filed by Tobeortobebetter on 15:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• GISAID (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Tobeortobebetter (talk · contribs)
• BD2412 (talk · contribs)
• AppleBsTime (talk · contribs)
• Wacomshera (talk · contribs)
• CNMall41 (talk · contribs)
• AncientWalrus (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

This article is about an organisation called GISAID which is behind a virus genome database. The database was established as a collaboration between the GISAID organisation and the Swiss Institute for Bioinformatics (SIB), whereby GISAID would provide funding for the SIB to establish the database. In 2009, the two organisations fell out with SIB disconnecting the database from GISAID, alleging that the agreed funding had not been provided. A legal dispute ensued, with GISAID suing the SIB. These events were covered in the media at the time, and are not for the most part in dispute here.

The outcome of this legal dispute was that GISAID (which had brought the action) was ordered in 2014 to pay $1M to the SIB. This is attested to by primary sources from the legal action, a secondary legal source, and most recently a news article in Science magazine. The current dispute is over whether it is reasonable to include the outcome of this legal dispute in some form in the article.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:GISAID#Dispute_with_SIB

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Providing mediation, advice on Wikipedia policy, and advice on next steps.

Summary of dispute by BD2412

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

It is a bit premature to bring this issue to DRN. I see that not all participants in the discussion appear to have been notified/listed as participants.

With respect to the point in contention, which is a court decision awarding arbitration damages in a proceeding well after the dispute itself was effectively resolved, there is an absence of consensus on the question of whether this information is at all noteworthy. As explained repeatedly in the discussion, outcomes on post-litigation motions are run-of-the-mill occurrances that are routinely excluded from articles on entities because they will inherently be WP:UNDUE. Properly explaining the actual legal insignificance of such an occurrance would take a disproportionate amount of text in the article. There are sources that discuss the effect of the 2009 dispute on the actions of the parties. There is, as noted in the discussion, no source that specifies that because of the 2014 decision, anything at all changed with respect to the parties. The important information is already in the article, and editors on the talk page are welcome to try and generate a consensus there before escalating this here. BD2412 T 16:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I did not want to spam editors who had only made passing comments in this dispute, but have now notified/added all editors. The existing talk discussion on this issue has involved 48 messages to date. Tobeortobebetter (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by AppleBsTime

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Summary of dispute by CNMall41

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

It can be very frustrating for new editors to understand why good articles will include or exclude certain things. I think BD has done a very patient job of explaining this, in this situation.--CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

GISAID discussion

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.

Caso Apoquindo

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Frutillente on 04:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute es:Caso Apoquindo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Frutillente (talk · contribs) Alpinu (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I'm sorry as the dispute in spanish, but a brief overview of the matter is: I believe the proper title of the page should be "Masacre de Apoquindo" or Apoquindo Massacre. This is due to two main reasons: the first is that it was in fact an event in which chilean police forces murdered innocent civilians as they surrounded insurgents who had stolen a bank. The second is that there was another "Caso Apoquindo" related to sexual abuse of children, and improper labeling of the incidents could cause confusion. Alpinu has reverted my changes without proper justification and has threatened for my account to be blocked due to "arbitrary changes" despite the fact that I gave an extensive justification when editing the page. They also deleted the category of "Masacres de Chile" with no primary or secondary sources backing up Alpinu's claims. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? I tried discussing this on my own discussion page, where I was notified that I could be blocked due to arbitrary editing. [[3]] How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? I would like for you to review the evidence I brought forth arguing why it is more proper to a) have the title of the page be "Masacre de Apoquindo" (If it has to do with the page url, I can understand it being different) and b) why it should be included in the list of "Masacres de Chile". Summary of dispute by Alpinu Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Caso Apoquindo discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. What? This seemed to be something disruptive, both the filing party and the another party wasn't editing on such article and the talk page of this article is not exist. -Lemonaka‎ 04:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC) This appears to be about es:Caso Apoquindo. @Frutillente: This noticeboard only deals with disputes in the english Wikipedia. If your dispute is on eswiki, you will need to follow whatever proccess eswiki has to solve editing disputes. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC) Yes, sorry to trouble you! Thank you for the help. Frutillente (talk) 13:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.