Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

How to use this page[edit]

What not to propose for discussion here[edit]

Shortcut

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a template[edit]

Shortcut
  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template[edit]

Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023_April_22#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors[edit]

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects[edit]

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template[edit]

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle[edit]

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion[edit]

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion[edit]

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions[edit]

April 22[edit]

Template:Transparency of media ownership in Europe[edit]

No longer needed, replaced with {{Europe topic|Transparency of media ownership in}} on all relevant pages. –Vipz (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


April 21[edit]

Template:Sinhala cinema[edit]

An extremely bloated navbox that list just about every actor, actress, director, and composer in the Sinhala cinema industry of Sri Lanka. Sinhala cinema redirects to the main article, Cinema of Sri Lanka, whose eponymous navbox has been added by me and normally we only have navboxs for cinema for countries not specific languages. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Narnia places[edit]

Redundant with {{Narnia}}, which already lists the in-universe locations. Not needed. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PPRightPlace[edit]

The ombox is only used on WP:PP, and it would be fine to substitute it there. SWinxy (talk) 18:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:SNLCurrentCast[edit]

Clear breach of WP:PERFNAV --woodensuperman 15:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete Unfortunately, as I have used this many times, but WS is correct that this is a perfect example of a template that breaks the rule. Ted Danson would have footers for Cheers, Becker, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Bored to Death, Fargo, The Good Place, Mr. Mayor, etc. if we did this, so we don't. SNL doesn't get the be special. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:The Amazing Race (American TV series) contestants[edit]

Clearly goes against WP:PERFNAV --woodensuperman 14:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete per above.
―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unused s-line templates[edit]

Unused s-line templates. Gonnym (talk) 14:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment: Something in this list appears to be used, because the TFD notices are breaking a couple hundred articles like Bad Dürkheim station. I think it might be {{RB color}}. Pinging Gonnym. Also, {{DB-RB stations}} seems to have the same problem, and it has two TFD notices on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out. Those weren't supposed to be tagged at all so I've fixed those. Gonnym (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Once Upon a Time trilogy[edit]

Not actually a trilogy, also covered by Template:Sergio Leone --woodensuperman 09:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WPBYU invite Bro Brigham[edit]

Not sure about this one. It seems to go against WP:NPOV to have a Wikiproject invitation written from the perspective of a religious figure. I mean, would we be comfortable with an invite which says "Jesus needs you" or something similar? Wikipedia needs you, the project needs you, sure, but not this. Fram (talk) 09:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Note labels[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was userfy. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No transclusions except in the creator's sandbox. Created in 2017. Userfy or subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please Userfy. --Clusternote (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).


April 20[edit]

1rr With General/Contentious Topic Sanctions[edit]

Barely used and no longer needed. I can only find uses in the double digits for all three templates. In any case, the reason these templates are no longer needed has to do with the community and contentious topics alerting process. These templates do not suffice to meet the awareness criteria in any of these cases. Also, a notice of the article being under 1rr is present in the editnotice and on the talk page. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 20:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To add on, these templates appear to predate the GS, DS, and CT procedures that have been developed over time. Now that this works well, there is no need to have any of these. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 20:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2020 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side templates[edit]

current convention for Olympics and Paralympics is to place these in the main article and transclude using WP:LST. Frietjes (talk) 19:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Nsvd-g[edit]

No transclusions (except in one editor's table of templates), documentation, incoming links from discussions, or categories. Duplicates existing standard warning templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PageStatus[edit]

No transclusions. Created in 2008. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Page moves[edit]

No transclusions. Created in July 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2005 English cricket season chronology[edit]

One link, and everything is redlinks that will never be created- it is not standard to create articles for random sections of a cricket season like this template would require Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2.4 Metre World Championship medallists[edit]

Unused. 2.4 Metre World Championship uses the table directly. Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2018 Currie Cup promotion/relegation match[edit]

Unused. Were subst into articles last month. Gonnym (talk) 06:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


April 19[edit]

Template:Vsep[edit]

Appears to be redundant to {{Vpad}}. Redirect, or merge functionality. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Navbox volleyball club[edit]

Duplicate of {{Navbox}}. Unused after replaced the only transclusion. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Andhra Pradesh General election, 2014 imagemap[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete, no use for this as the election article uses a coloured map instead. CRwikiCA talk 18:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Vb cl header[edit]

Now redundant to Module:Sports table/Volleyball. These templates should be deleted once the are replaced with Module:Sports table, which is now the standard for sports standings tables. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:46, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete, reducing the maintenance is good for future-proofing these articles. Bringing this in line with current practice will make it easier for editors to work on volleyball tables. Thanks Frietjes for all your work on these sports tables. CRwikiCA talk 18:55, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


April 18[edit]

2018 olympic ice hockey templates[edit]

more nominations

Unused after merged into Ice hockey at the 2018 Winter Olympics and transcluded via WP:LST. Delete all templates and corresponding categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Joel David Moore[edit]

Only two films, WP:NENAN. --woodensuperman 15:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Three now, actually. SavageEdit (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep All three films are notable enough to receive pages.
SavageEdit (talk) 10:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:The Pinball Arcade[edit]

This navbox is not really about the topic, it navigates between articles for various physical pinball machines that have been converted to a virtual platform. --woodensuperman 13:49, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Pierikos F.C. seasons[edit]

No valid links. – Fayenatic London 07:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Blank of UK/OFF/CCF/RN[edit]

Unused UK military rank and insignia template. Hasn't been used since creation back in 2019. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Member states of the OECD[edit]

Just a grouping of countries that are or are seeking to join the organization. All of these can be found on the main article of OECD and we already have a template for it, Template:Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Largest urban centers of South America[edit]

Used on two international South American organizations articles, Union of South American Nations, and Mercosur. This should be subst on Demographics of South America since it is the most logical for such information to go. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Big Ten Conference Men's Basketball Freshman of the Year navbox[edit]


April 17[edit]

Template:Honorary Platino Award[edit]

While this was created before Template:Platino Honorary Award, it is currently not being used in articlespace. It is also out of date as Honorary Platino goes to 2019 while Platino Honorary goes to 2023. Therefore, I think Honorary Platino should be deleted and redirected to Platino Honorary. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WorldCat id[edit]

Nominating for deletion per request by an IP at Wikipedia:Help desk. Their reason was:

"Worldcat Identities project is [now: was] taken down". No point in archiving the links: "dubious quality, lack of sources" (quotes from d:Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859). Can someone submit a delete request for the protected Template:WorldCat id? German Wikipedia de:Vorlage:Worldcat id has been deleted already. @Kadı: FYI. 2A02:2454:986D:F700:DCEA:D7B6:FEEF:B1A3 (talk) 21:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

* Pppery * it has begun... 21:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Costa Rica national football team matches[edit]

No transclusions. Redundant to the much more comprehensive {{Costa Rica national football team}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Bristol County politicians[edit]

No transclusions. Only one local or state official listed in this quasi-sidebar appears to be notable. WP:NENAN does not specifically apply to this sort of template, AFAIK, but the spirit of it appears to be applicable here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete, no a navigation aid. CRwikiCA talk 13:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2023 ASUN Conference football standings[edit]

The ASUN Conference will not operate football in 2023 and was replaced by the United Athletic Conference. Another template has been made for the new conference with the teams in this template included. Lsw2472 (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete, obsolete and unused. CRwikiCA talk 13:31, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:NECBL alumni[edit]

Single use template merged into New England Collegiate Baseball League. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2014 Politics in India[edit]

Not clear what this is supposed to be navigating. No article on the topic, and navbox is mostly made up of unnavigable statistics. --woodensuperman 12:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:S-line/DB-ICE left/18[edit]

Unused s-line templates. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Women's Premier League results summary[edit]

Unused and created by a now blocked editor. Gonnym (talk) 12:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete, unused. CRwikiCA talk 13:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2026 FIFA World Cup group tables[edit]

Unused, without data, 3 years too early and as can be seen by numerous recent templates deletions, these tables belong in the article and not as templates. The template was also created by a now blocked editor. Gonnym (talk) 12:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


April 16[edit]

Template:MLABIOBOT[edit]

Unused and unnecessary plain text template --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep The template is used and necessary. It is a part of the Template:MLABIO/doc and used regularly for biographies. --Venkat TL (talk) 05:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Then this should be merged into MLABIO. The only content of MLABIOBOT is == References ==. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 13:27, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Merge It seems there isn't enough in there to warrant a separate template. CRwikiCA talk 17:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete Not complex enough to warrant a template. Even manually adding a references section is not hard. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Pppery, Manually adding it every time is tedious and time taking, which is why this template was created to make it easier. The template has a clear purpose and is being used. No purpose is being served by deleting it and making volunteers spend more time doing something manually, if it can be done with this small template. Venkat TL (talk) 06:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete. The supposed use case for this doesn't make any sense. The doc page says "replace ==References== with {{subst:foo}}{{subst:MLABIOBOT}}". You replace the references header with a substitution of a template that turns into a references header? Why not just add the new template before the header? 192.76.8.81 (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete doesn't make sense. The template name certainly doesn't make sense. And why wouldn't it not also include {{reflist}} if it is to be boilerplate. And the "main" template {{MLABIO}} also doesn't make any sense. "Hoshiarpur" is not a default Legislative Assembly for the entire world. Nor is 2023 the default year of elections for all of history. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 17:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Newton—North Delta federal election[edit]

Unused, redundant to what's available at Newton—North Delta#Members of Parliament --Minorax«¦talk¦» 03:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep. This is not redundant with what's in the electoral district article — the point of an election results template is to transclude it in both the electoral district's article and the biographical articles about the candidates named in the template, so that the presentation and the numbers are kept consistent across all related articles and can't be vandalized so that one article displays different results from the others. So each of these is used in two or three articles, not just one. Bearcat (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Bearcat, it can also be transcluded from the page itself when there is a clear main article. CRwikiCA talk 13:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2023 IL East standings[edit]

Misleading template created solely for use on a draft. This just copies the existing {{2023 AL East standings}}, switching out only the first team in the list for a minor-league team in the International League (but not changing its stats from those of the top team in the other template) and otherwise leaving the rest of the AL template's list intact with MLB teams in the American League, and thus isn't an accurate representation of anything. Even if a template like this is warranted for the International League (which, again, is a minor-league farm team system), it can't use the "MLB standings" wrapper as it isn't MLB -- and furthermore, the creator also tried to create a duplicate template for the IL East at {{2023 International League East standings}} which had to be deleted as entirely non-functional, as it tried to replace the "MLB standings" header with an "MiLB standings" header that doesn't even exist, meaning the template was literally just a non-functional redlink rather than a table of sports league standings.
Templates like this should only ever be created by people who actually know what they're doing, so that they're not leaving a trail of broken and inaccurate templates behind them. Bearcat (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This was a stopped work in progress. That was my fault. I had meant to do more, but got confused and started editing the AL East standings page, not noticing it was the wrong page, and never got back to the International League page. Mozart12345678910 (talk) 18:07, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This should be better Mozart12345678910 (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Duck fake[edit]

SPI template created by an editor who is not an SPI clerk or admin. Since its creation in October 2022, it has never been used at SPI, and I can't think of a situation in which I'd use it (the usage notes don't really make sense to me). Apparently this is used at zhwiki, but I don't think it is useful for enwiki SPI. Spicy (talk) 00:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete per nom, but while we're talking inline icon templates, does anyone know what the point of {{Scissors}} is? casualdejekyll 16:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom, additionally the essay that goes along with this could really use some eyes. The section on copyright in particular is spectacularly bad advice (no, creating a slight variation on a copyrighted work does not prevent it being a copyvio. If you did that you would create a derivative work possibly containing copyrighted elements). 192.76.8.81 (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


April 15[edit]

Template:Blocked user[edit]

It has been three years since this template was deprecated. At this point, I do not think it serves anyone anymore to have this placeholder telling which template to use or not. Regularly editing users should be well aware of the alternatives, and this will just cause more confusion for interlanguage as well, who come across this page and wonder why there is this confusing red box or smth that they do not understand. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 15:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete agreed its useless and unneeded and is unneeded even for page history reasons Qwv (talk) 10:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete: Don't need this anymore, and it probably could've been deleted a while ago. {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 02:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep – it seems that this page is still used frequently; pageviews have not dropped off too much since the deprecation. Perhaps reconfigure to make this a more general disambiguation page, as given that views have in general remained pretty steady, it seems like lots of editors are coming here looking for a different template – perhaps {{uw-block}}, I don't know (this ignorance despite being a regularly editing user). J947 † edits 08:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That is probably because of the interlanguage links. Once the template is gone from the interlanguage directory the views will probably go away as well. :) Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 20:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I just checked select pageview counts for this template in other languages. It seems that combining all non-English-language versions of this template together yields approximately twice as many views as the en.wp template – an estimate. Nowhere near 1 in 2 users viewing a template will click a specific link on the interlanguage directory. Maybe 1 in 20. J947 † edits 23:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Lovejoy (band)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. CSD G5 Liz Read! Talk! 22:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's only two articles for the band's releases in existence (the others aren't notable, at least yet) aside from the band and the main member (Wilbur Soot) having articles. This was created WP:TOOSOON. WP:NENAN. Ss112 09:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Template:Diplomatic missions in Antigua and Barbuda[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:46, 22 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fails the first function of a navbox. Too few links. DrKay (talk) 08:00, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Template:Indefblockedip[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 01:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Barely used template. I see no reason why we need to tag IPs like this when Special:BlockList exists, and we can even filter. Very few IPs are blocked indefinitely, and the ones that are are because of repeated block evasion or because they are open proxies. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 00:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Template:Largest cities in ASEAN

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Template is being transcluded as navbox which this one isn't but also not needed as there other cities templates that can replace the ones listed here. But also, Largest cities templates are for countries, not countries that are members of some international organization. Hence why, for instance, a template for "Largest Cities in the United Nations" or member states of the UN isn't necessary. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Country data Province of Ciudad Real/doc

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Unused template doc, redundant to autogenerated doc at Template:Country data Province of Ciudad Real --Minorax«¦talk¦» 14:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Virtual Boy

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Unnecessary navbox that lists the games released for the short-lived Nintendo console Virtual Boy. There's already List of Virtual Boy games and Category:Virtual Boy games and a separate Category:Cancelled Virtual Boy games. It's not needed, since these games have different gameplay elements, different developers and publishers (see List of Virtual Boy games#Games), failing the point of a navbox. The only reason why this navbox has been around so long is because of its relative small size, but we simply don't have navboxes that list every game released for a platform (and in this case, also unreleased).

IIRC, there was also a discussion of a navbox with games listed for a 1990s handheld console that also resulted in deletion, but I'm having a hard time finding it. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Based on this archive at the Wayback Machine (archived 2021-01-15), it was Atari Lynx. However, these templates significantly differ in that games in the Lynx templates were mostly ports which makes them pretty unrelated, while all the Virtual Boy games were developed specifically for and only released on that console due to its unique mechanics. Thus, it satisfies all of WP:NAVBOX, and I believe we shall keep this. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great find, Aaron Liu! I wouldn't have thought of that. Not that I think it'll change your mind, but note that Bomberman: Panic Bomber and Waterworld were released on different platforms; the cancelled releases of Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Galaxian3: Project Dragoon, Star Fox and Worms would have been ports. Thanks again! soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 23:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In hindsight, yeah, these were ports. But all the rest released games weren't (Water World was developed for VB)and even these are different enough in the VB port that they received completely different reviews. That constitutes enough to warrant a navbox. Good find, but you were right that it didn't change my mind. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete, better served by lists and categories. WP:CLT. --woodensuperman 08:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Woodensuperman I don’t see how this falls short of WP:NAVBOX. It’s a small group of articles that were mostly virtual boy exclusives, which is a pretty strong relationship. If this should be deleted we would delete the majority of all the navboxes out there. Plus, CLNT also includes WP:NOTDUPE Aaron Liu (talk) 13:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Expanding on what Nigej says below, imagine if this was a navbox showing every PlayStation game (for example). --woodensuperman 13:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    First, most PlayStation games aren’t exclusives. Secondly, unlike this niche piece of history, readers likely won’t want to read all released games on it, as it is not niche. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per Woodensuperman. The only thing connecting this list is that are played on a particular piece of hardware. I'd have thought that that was a pretty weak relationship. If this was a list of a thousand games (or every CD) we'd think it was crazy to have a navbox for it, so the only thing in its favour is that it's a manageable size, 30-odd. Is there really a strong connection between 3D Tetris and Mario Clash that means that someone reading one article wants to navigate to the other? Seems doubtful to me. Nigej (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Someone learning about the virtual boy would be very likely to navigate al released games on it. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Surely such a person would use the List of Virtual Boy games article. If they're not then that article is useless too. Nigej (talk) 12:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Due to its bidirection and natural position at the bottom of articles, navboxes are way easier to navigate than lists. Additionally, WP:NOTDUPE protects different types of article collections coexisting. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep How would the articles be improved by removing this navbox? I understand the argument that we don't do this for like any other console but the Virtual Boy is different in two important ways. First and most obvious we only have 29 games here instead of several hundred making this a lot more practical. The other way is that your much more likely to want to look at other Virtual Boy games than say other PS2 games after looking at one. I believe all these games are exclusive to the virtual boy and you couldn't make a similar experience anywhere else at the time. An important part of all these articles is how the games were made to fit with this brand new concept. The first thing I would do after reading our Virtual Boy article and wanting to learn more would probably be to open a bunch of articles from this very navbox. A category is not a replacement for most readers who wouldn't even consider that option and have probably never used our category system while a navbox is a much more familiar tool. List of Virtual Boy games isn't really a subsititute either. You would then need to either go back and forth or open a whole bunch of tabs which I at least find to be a less comfortable way to check out a topic than using a navbox. --Trialpears (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You make the exact point I've made: the only reason why we kept it for so long is because of its short size. Why not make a navbox for the thousands of PS2 games that are out there, just so readers wouldn't have to check a category or a list of PlayStation 2 games? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No I didn't. My point is that there aren't any size issues like there would be for essentially all other consoles which is one of the reasons why there is a significant difference between the Virtual Boy and other consoles in terms of navbox suitability. I also gave you reasons why these articles are significantly more connected than those for other consoles. --Trialpears (talk) 18:15, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the weakness of your argument is that it could be applied to almost anything. Why not have a template for People from Tadcaster? After all there's only 19 of them, a suitable size. Obviously we wouldn't have one for People from Leeds because it would be much too big. Someone reading an article about one person form Tadcaster might well want to read about other people from Tadcaster so why not provide a navbox? Is the connection between e.g. 3D Tetris and Mario Clash, really that close as to justify a navbox? Personally I'm still not convinced. Nigej (talk) 18:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nigej That's fair the arguments can be applied to a wide range of things and the only thing that would separate them is how likely someone is to visit other articles in the navbox, but isn't that kind of the whole point of the navbox? To be a useful tool for navigation. Reading about someone from Tadcaster is unlikely to have you thinking "wow that sure is a unique place wonder how the town affected other people from there" but reading about a Virtual Boy game getting curious about how other games were impacted by being for the Virtual Boy is completely reasonable. --Trialpears (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Trialpears "we only have 29 games here instead of several hundred making this a lot more practical." Your words. Size is the only reason this was kept around. They are different games, different gameplay elements, different developers. "I believe all these games are exclusive to the virtual boy and you couldn't make a similar experience anywhere else at the time" is highly OR. Now we're making navboxes based upon... experiences at the time? And like I've stated, the games listed aren't all exclusives. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need to provide evidence that size is the only reason this was kept around. I and a couple of other editors here seem to find this template useful and that is to me more than enough to keep it if there isn't an actual argument of why we need it more than it's not necessary and in similar situations we don't have one. The games may be different but by visiting any of these articles you would see screenshots of games looking unlike anything you've ever seen, read about it's reception and see that it's deeply tied with the system it's on and after that it's completely reasonable to want to learn more about the virtual boy. One of the things I would be most interested in when learning about the virtual boy would be the screenshot, which means visiting since that's the only place we can have them due to fair use. I don't need to prove that all users would starting hopping around between different Virtual Boy game articles, just that some would benefit from this article and it doesn't do any significant harm being there. I think that standard is quite clearly met, especially when you consider why someone may be visiting an article about a Virtual Boy game in the first place. I think the likelihood that someone visits a Virtual Boy game article just because it's a Virtual Boy game is significant.
I should perhaps tackle the ports you mention Waterworld and Bomberman:_Panic_Bomber both mention the reception of the virtual boy version seperetly just because the experience of playing the games are so different there and talk about the games suitability for Virtual Boy. The Waterworld Virtual Boy port is so different from the other versions that it is a contender for the worst video game of all time while the gameboy version gets a quite favorable 83% rating from another reviewer. --Trialpears (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I need to provide evidence that's why it was kept for so long? What are you talking about? That's not what is required in any XfD whatsoever and we simply do not have navboxes based upon video games for a particular system. "Unlike you've ever seen"? Gimme a break, your own personal analysis of the games in question shouldn't matter. If there were, I dunno, 500 games released for the Virtual Boy, this wouldn't be an issue. You're just stating WP:ITSUSEFUL (find this template useful) and WP:DOESNTHURT (doesn't do any significant harm being there, so it does some harm?). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. The navbox has a reasonable navigational purpose and should be added to all of those entries, not deleted. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:21, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Which, besides being video games released for the same platform, is...? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 04:13, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per previous discussions that establish we don't do video-game-by-platform navboxes. Doesn't matter how large or small the list is, that is category and list material per WP:CLT, not navbox material. oknazevad (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I wonder what other discussions there were besides Atari Lynx? Aaron Liu (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete Nearly all of the video game console-specific navbox templates do not include specific games but links to accessories, hardware aspects, and lists of games (eg {{Nintendo Entertainment System}} or {{Wii}}). Nor is that navbox tagged on the articles for games for that console, for the most part. This template would be reduced to just pointing to a list of games, and that's not a good reason for the template. --Masem (t) 12:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The navbox is on all the articles for games on virtual boy though? Aaron Liu (talk) 12:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Because they are all listed in the MacBook, which would be correct if this was a good navbox. But it isn't, you would not navigate game lists this way. Masem (t) 13:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't think I got you, what does this have to do with which computer I use? Aaron Liu (talk) 12:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That was a phone typo. "Because they are all listed in the Navbox." Basically, you're saying "we should keep the navbox because the games populate the navbox and are used on the game pages", which is circular reasoning. Masem (t) 15:20, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's not what I was arguing. I was pointing out that your observation Nor is that navbox tagged on the articles for games for that console is false. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question Does WP:NOHARM apply to this discussion? It’s not an article so it doesn’t mean anything can go here. The template is harmless. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Well, it's part of Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and this is a deletion discussion, so... yes. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The rationale for that doesn’t apply though. In fact it has two paragraphs that say it is a valid argument in MfD and RfD. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm not sure sure I follow. We're not talking about miscellany or a redirect. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    My point is that the section itself claims it isn't universal for all types of deletion discussions, and that the rationale seems to only apply for AfDs and definitely not in this TfD. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - Like last time with the Lynx template, I'm neutral. It's hard to defend the need for the template when the list article covers it all and more in better form. But when it comes to this specific library - which is a short, small subset of games for a single platform by just a handful of developers - I do believe that a reader could use it to navigate across the games to get a feeling for the overall trajectory of the platforms software. And allowing it to exist does not make it compulsory for other ones to exist. Logistically speaking, most game libraries wouldn't even work. Even low-to-medium sized platforms like the Saturn or N64 have far too many games to even attempt this. So I really feel like we can judge this on its own merits without fear of setting a bad precedent. Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong keep Virtual Boy was an unusual case that isn't like a standard video game console. I agree it would be ridiculous to have an "Xbox 360 games" navbox for example, but exceptions can be made for areas of specific interest. All Virtual Boy games had notable things in common due to how they were made for the 3D goggles. See also WP:BATHWATER. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ's argumentation. ReneeWrites (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep The Virtual Boy library is a small tightly knit family of exclusives that are often discussed together. Lynx comparison isn't fair because many Lynx games are inferior ports of arcade or Genesis games and the like, so it didn't make sense to link those articles together. TarkusABtalk/contrib 17:13, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If they are discusses together, how does having a navbox that lists the individual games help? The comparison isn't fair, because the Lynx games were inferior? They are both handheld systems with a relative small library of games. That the Virtual Boy games are somehow "more special" shouldn't matter in this discussion at all. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:NAVBOX, our navbox guideline, as the items do not "refer to each other, to a reasonable extent" such that they would, for example, otherwise be in the "See also" sections for each other. It's a small category as a navbox. czar 19:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm not sure why "It's a small category" is an argument towards deletion and believe the relation said by Zxcvbnm is enough to include most of them under the see also. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. Harmless template, something I would consider useful, and I think there's a non-trivial subset of people who would find value in ease of navigation from game to game, since VB games are so often discussed as a collective. Further, the slippery slope arguments don't really hold water because there are logistical issues that would prevent this from happening. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • delete, fails WP:NAVBOX per above. Frietjes (talk) 20:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I feel most people vote keep because of the supposed specialness of the Virtual Boy, that is was unique case for its time and unlike they've ever seen. Or even that the games for the Atari Lynx were inferior. But this is a navbox based upon games for the system. Let's tackle WP:NAVBOX:

1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.

That subject would be Virtual Boy. But this is navbox that just lists the games. Compare with {{Game Boy}}, which lists models, accessories, developers, etc. Or {{PlayStation}}, which lists the different lines of consoles, technology, media, etc. This navbox just lists the games released for the system. Is the topic Virtual Boy, List of Virtual Boy games or "Virtual Boy game"?

2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.

List of Virtual Boy games is already linked in the see also sections of the games listed. And there's the category of course.

3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.

It's games released for the same system, they do not refer to each other, except for some cases with the same developer. Different gameplay, different developers. Same system, that is for sure.

4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.

See No. 1: The template's title is Virtual Boy and it lists the games released. There's Virtual Boy and List of Virtual Boy games, there's no such thing as Virtual Boy game.

5. If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles.

A link to List of Virtual Boy games suffices.

soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tackling every evaluation of yours:
1. If anything, only including games makes the subject more coherent. Plus VB is just a single console without any lines, accessories, famous devs, prominent media, etc., so there's nothing else to list.
2&5. Firstly this doesn't address 2 (which is already satisfied in the lede). Secondly that demonstrates that editors would be inclined to link every article if it weren't for the list, so it satisfies 5 (which is a more specific version of 3), and cements the other games' importance to each other, as some random PS game wouldn't have List of PS games linked.
3. See 2&5.
4. See 1. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry, Aaron Liu, I do not understand what you're trying to say. How does "only including games make the subject more coherent"? So what is the topic of the navbox? Virtual Boy, or games released for the Virtual Boy? How does only listing games on a navbox make the subject of Virtual Boy more coherent for the reader? What lead do you mean and what is satisfied? We're discussing this navbox. Why would editors "be inclined to link every article if it weren't for the list"? Where would they link from and to? Why would they be inclined to do so? There is a list and it wouldn't make sense to randomly list all the games released for the platform, because that would fail WP:SEEALSO. And again, see also is covered by List of Virtual Boy games. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Only including games narrows down the topic and strengthens the relations between its elements, thus by definition making it more coherent. The topic of the navbox can be interpreted as either, and both have their own articles (List of VB games counts as the article for VB games). Virtual Boy (game) is mentioned in every article that has the navbox in the lede. It makes sense to list the other games in the see also if it weren't for the list per above, due to how readers would be inclined to learn about every released VB game, especially the exclusives, just like how if it weren't for the list one would be inclined to link to other notable "messiahs" under a messiah claimant. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep, as it's useful. Doesn't clutter articles too much, and it's very plausible that the reader might wish to find information on other games on the same console in this instance. J947 † edits 08:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Canadian premiers, 1920s

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Per the discussion on March 27, 2023, for Template:American leaders, 1920s. We have enough navboxes for most leaders including that general navboxes for each position, era, and decade. A timeline navbox isn't necessary. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep unlike the American leaders template, these particular templates have well-defined and encyclopedic inclusion criteria (every province/territory of Canada and every state/territory of Australia, for one), and are more useful and aesthetically pleasing than other templates of leaders by decade. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete all The sole purpose of a WP:NAVBOX is for navigation. This decorative style of navbox does not aid navigation, they're just confusing. What do all the colors mean? How do these in any way aid navigation. Nigej (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Nigej The timeline nature of this navbox aids in navigation by collating the relevant premier terms together in a visual format and is thus not "decorative". I am unaware of any other leader navboxes by decade, but as an example of template shortcomings {{SKPremiers}} does not give the dates, parties, or even first names of the officeholders, whereas the timeline templates under discussion give all three (FYI, the colors are for parties). As I've said earlier, and in the American template discussion, I've often wondered who has been the Premier of Alberta (or Manitoba, or British Columbia) at the same time that James Garfield Gardiner, for example, was the Premier of Saskatchewan, and this navbox helps me navigate accordingly. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • It's all so unnecessarily complicated. If I'm in Julian Byng, 1st Viscount Byng of Vimy, am I likely to want to jump to William Egbert. Do I really want to jump between governors of different places at different times. Really this is article content masquerading as a navbox. See WP: NAVBOX Do "The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." Not really. Think about navigation, not hundreds of boxes. Nigej (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete all per Nigej. Navboxes are meant for links, not timelines.—indopug (talk) 07:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete This is a dispute between a guidline and "I like it". Well, I don't like it, so we default to enforcing the standard. In other words, per Nigej. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • My dispute of the guideline is not mere "I like it", but rather precedent in the form of the auto make/model timelines I referenced above in support of navbox timelines. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. I like it. I think it serves great encyclopaedic value – as a reader, I'd love to see this in an article as it gives appropriate context in a way not easily communicated verbally. Perhaps it doesn't work all too well as a navbox to be honest, as well as not being what navboxen are envisioned to be, but I'm struggling to think of a different suitable method to include such a timeline in an article without it being overly obtrusive. IMO a navbox is better than nothing. J947 † edits 08:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • delete, this should be in an article, not in a navbox which is not viewable on mobile. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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