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This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.
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Case | Created | Last volunteer edit | Last modified | ||||
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Title | Status | User | Time | User | Time | User | Time |
Vurg | New | RoyalHeritageAlb (t) | 2 days, 10 hours | None | n/a | RoyalHeritageAlb (t) | 2 days, 9 hours |
Daf James | Closed | Caerdyddcymru (t) | 2 days, 9 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, 15 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, 15 hours |
GISAID | New | Tobeortobebetter (t) | 1 days, 14 hours | None | n/a | CNMall41 (t) | 1 days, 10 hours |
Caso Apoquindo | Closed | Frutillente (t) | 1 days, 1 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 13 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 13 hours |
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Current disputes[edit]
Vurg[edit]
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
- RoyalHeritageAlb (talk · contribs)
- Khirurg (talk · contribs)
- Alexikoua (talk · contribs)
- AlexBachmann (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
One user i adding personal information about an individual deeds and achievments into an article about a region. The other (me) is commenting that only the information about the region should be in the article about the region not personal information about the individual doings. Is a dispute which at the moment 4 different users have commented so after posting it at Wikipedia:Third opinion an admin redirected us here.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Vurg#Lefter Talo, Talk:Vurg#Lefter_Talo
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
We are discussing what belongs and doesnt belong to an article about a region. So since different users claim different opinions we need an experienced and neutral user to show us what belongs to resolve this dispute.
Summary of dispute by Khirurg[edit]
Lefter Talo was an ethnic Greek individual born in the Vurg region of Albania who was active in the communist resistance during WW2 and his place of birth is now named after him. Sources describing this have been added in the article. The only reason there even is a dispute is because RoyalHeritageAlbania is extremely bothered by the mention of Talo's Greek ethnicity, and really really doesn't want it in the article. He won't say so openly, but reading between the lines in this talkpage thread [1] and looking at his edit summaries [2], it's pretty clear what he means when he says Informations about Lefter Talo dont belong here.
This despite the fact that the sources in the articles mention his ethnicity (e.g. Kofos 1973). Khirurg (talk) 20:38, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Summary of dispute by RoyalHeritageAlb[edit]
I wanted to bring up a concern regarding the content in this Wikipedia article about the region where this notable person was born. I noticed that some editors have added information about the person's personal information & achievements and deeds to this article. However, I believe that this information should be included in the person's own personal article, rather than in the article about the region. While it is important to acknowledge the person's connection to the region, it is not necessary to include every detail of their personal life in the article. Doing so could detract from the main focus of the article, which is the region itself. Additionally, the personal achievements and deeds of the person are more appropriate for their own personal article, where they can be more thoroughly and accurately discussed. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 20:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Summary of dispute by Alexikoua[edit]
Summary of dispute by AlexBachmann[edit]
Vurg discussion[edit]
Daf James[edit]
Closed as not an article content dispute, but a question about a draft. The filing editor was given advice about how to improve the draft. Any future questions can be discussed with the reviewer or at the Teahouse or the AFC Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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GISAID[edit]
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
- Tobeortobebetter (talk · contribs)
- BD2412 (talk · contribs)
- AppleBsTime (talk · contribs)
- Wacomshera (talk · contribs)
- CNMall41 (talk · contribs)
- AncientWalrus (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
This article is about an organisation called GISAID which is behind a virus genome database. The database was established as a collaboration between the GISAID organisation and the Swiss Institute for Bioinformatics (SIB), whereby GISAID would provide funding for the SIB to establish the database. In 2009, the two organisations fell out with SIB disconnecting the database from GISAID, alleging that the agreed funding had not been provided. A legal dispute ensued, with GISAID suing the SIB. These events were covered in the media at the time, and are not for the most part in dispute here.
The outcome of this legal dispute was that GISAID (which had brought the action) was ordered in 2014 to pay $1M to the SIB. This is attested to by primary sources from the legal action, a secondary legal source, and most recently a news article in Science magazine. The current dispute is over whether it is reasonable to include the outcome of this legal dispute in some form in the article.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Providing mediation, advice on Wikipedia policy, and advice on next steps.
Summary of dispute by BD2412[edit]
It is a bit premature to bring this issue to DRN. I see that not all participants in the discussion appear to have been notified/listed as participants.
With respect to the point in contention, which is a court decision awarding arbitration damages in a proceeding well after the dispute itself was effectively resolved, there is an absence of consensus on the question of whether this information is at all noteworthy. As explained repeatedly in the discussion, outcomes on post-litigation motions are run-of-the-mill occurrances that are routinely excluded from articles on entities because they will inherently be WP:UNDUE. Properly explaining the actual legal insignificance of such an occurrance would take a disproportionate amount of text in the article. There are sources that discuss the effect of the 2009 dispute on the actions of the parties. There is, as noted in the discussion, no source that specifies that because of the 2014 decision, anything at all changed with respect to the parties. The important information is already in the article, and editors on the talk page are welcome to try and generate a consensus there before escalating this here. BD2412 T 16:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- I did not want to spam editors who had only made passing comments in this dispute, but have now notified/added all editors. The existing talk discussion on this issue has involved 48 messages to date. Tobeortobebetter (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Summary of dispute by AppleBsTime[edit]
Summary of dispute by CNMall41[edit]
It can be very frustrating for new editors to understand why good articles will include or exclude certain things. I think BD has done a very patient job of explaining this, in this situation.--CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
GISAID discussion[edit]
Caso Apoquindo[edit]
Closed as wrong venue and wrong encyclopedia. This appears to be a content dispute about an article in the Spanish Wikipedia. Discuss on an article talk page, in Spanish, in the Spanish Wikipedia. If that is inconclusive, follow whatever dispute resolution procedures are available in the Spanish Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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